Disqualification over shorts?

The brastrap thing should not be called anymore. As far as the midriff, as long as your athletes have shirts that reach the waistband when standing on the starting line, they cannot be dq'd legally if they ride up during the race. The rules are there and coaches should know them and athletes should follow them. However, officials need to know ALL the rules as well and are just as responsible for abiding. The dq that inspired this thread is pretty basic. She earned her dq. However, a lot of dq's are made by flag happy officials who don't understand the rules or how to apply them (Nichole Cochran in WA last year). Those are the times to be vigilant.

Is the rule about modesty? If so why allow the bun huggers?

How much rolling up or down is needed to be less modest than the bun hugger briefs?

To the poster that said she earned her dq - how can you say this without seeing what her shorts looked like - could you post a picture? I looked through the album posted earlier and it looked like several guys and girls had rolled their waistabands - is there a certain allowable number of rolls that is acceptable? Where were the uniform police with all of these other offenders?

missed one!

Looks like we missed #491 also!

THAT is what's frustrating to coaches--Why was my girl DQ'd but #491 was not?

However ...

Utah Highway Patrol: Sir, do you know why I pulled you over?

Motorist: Uh, no.

UHP: You were going 82 in a 55 zone.

Motorist: But I wasn't bothering anyone. Nobody else was on the road, I'm well-rested, the sun isn't in my eyes, and I'm not being distracted by radio, cell phone, food, or attractive women.

UHP: Nonetheless, sir, you were speeding.

Motorist: But that's not fair. I can guarantee you that three miles up the road someone else is speeding. Not only that, I am absolutely certain that right now, at this very minute, there is a guy going faster than 82 in Ohio. And another one in Alabama, and one in Colorado....

Point being, I don't think that argument is going to fly. The best way to avoid a speeding ticket is to not exceed the speed limit. Similarly, the best way to avoid a DQ for illegal uniform is to be in a legal uniform, and it's the coach's and athlete's responsibility to ensure compliance--even with a silly rule.

Your pics actually prove an excellent point, if the purpose is modesty, then the rule if very misplaced. The tighter shorts are definitely immodest yet allowed. I hope something can be done about this.

Add Michigan to the list of worst. Amazing how the girls in high school are required to wear the uniforms like a nun, but once your in college...look out mama.

We need transparency and not hearsay. We need to let all parties be heard and get both sides of the story. I hope that a trained newspaper journalist in the area can report what happened. People need to be informed of major issues. Parents need to know as well. Officials have to apply for top/key meets and are selected based on their performance by their seniors.

It is true that most other sports have similar "ridiculous" uniform rules, but the main problem with track and cross country is that there is only one penalty: disqualification.

For example, in basketball, you are not allowed jewelry and you must wear your uniform in the manner that it is intended. I'm sure that if a female basketball player rolled her shorts, then she would be called for that infraction. However, in basketball the penalty is a technical foul shot. Most other sports have "lesser penalties" as well. Unfortunately, in track and cross country all infractions carry the same penalty.

How about this: what if a "technical foul" in cross country (uniform, jewelry, taunting, swearing, etc.) had an appropriate "lesser penalty"? What would you consider reasonable? 5 points added to the team score? 10 points? Would people complain about something like that?

c. Individuals discovered wearing jewelry will not be allowed to compete until jewelry is removed

(NFHS Rule 9-6-7).

Penalty: If jewelry is discovered during or after completion of the event, the individual will be warned that a violation in the next competition will result in disqualification from that meet. Meet officials must notify the WIAA. WIAA staff will notify school administration/coach that if the athlete is found in violation of Rule 9-6-7 in the next meet, they will

be disqualified

This is what Wisconsin has done with the jewelry issue. Seems like it could/should be applied to the awful offense of waistband rolling.

Better options wrote:

How about this: what if a "technical foul" in cross country (uniform, jewelry, taunting, swearing, etc.) had an appropriate "lesser penalty"? What would you consider reasonable? 5 points added to the team score? 10 points? Would people complain about something like that?

That is actually a damn good idea. Why does something as harmless as a uniform infraction carry the same penalty as cutting the course?

Rather than continue the rumors and innuendo, would someome who was there please write a report with the names of officials, athletes, club/school/etc., mugshots, pictures, rule book entry violated, etc. and sign the report with full name, affiliation, address, tel#, email, etc. I mean, this was a public event wasn't it. I hope there is nothing to hide ?

????????????? wrote:

Why was she even rolling her shorts down?

It's more comfortable to roll the waistband. I've always rolled the waistband of my shorts. I never knew there were rules against it. That is ridiculous. It makes no sense when bunhuggers are allowed.

Dr. Bob Marcus, M.D. wrote:

We need transparency and not hearsay. We need to let all parties be heard and get both sides of the story. I hope that a trained newspaper journalist in the area can report what happened. People need to be informed of major issues. Parents need to know as well. Officials have to apply for top/key meets and are selected based on their performance by their seniors.

Okay, so you want to know the names presumably in order to commend them and recommend for top/key meets based on the fact that they did their job well. But why do you need their pictures?

Another Coach wrote:

c. Individuals discovered wearing jewelry will not be allowed to compete until jewelry is removed

(NFHS Rule 9-6-7).

Penalty: If jewelry is discovered during or after completion of the event, the individual will be warned that a violation in the next competition will result in disqualification from that meet. Meet officials must notify the WIAA. WIAA staff will notify school administration/coach that if the athlete is found in violation of Rule 9-6-7 in the next meet, they will be disqualified

This is what Wisconsin has done with the jewelry issue. Seems like it could/should be applied to the awful offense of waistband rolling.

So in Wisconsin an athlete can actually wear jewelry half the time (every other meet)?

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But in your speeding example, that's exactly the point. Many cops don't bother with giving a ticket in this case, because the spirit of the law hasn't been broken. Is it wrong to run red lights in the middle of the nite with no one around? I do it all the time, the light is there for me, not me for the light. The letter of the law is to be obeyed only when it complements the spirit of the law. Rolling up one's shorts is not disqualification material, it doesn't make you faster. This is when common sense should prevail.

If Asics or Nike or adidas would just put one pic of a youngster in their clothing catalogs with rolled shorts, then this would all be moot. These kids could all say that rolling is a company intended option of wear. I looked on the net at some of their sites but most of them don't even have models wearing the clothes.

Also, I'd think some of these rules are in place not because an unfair advantage would be gain, but because if a standard of attire isn't laid out, could you imagine some of the outfits that would worn? Think Friday evening at the mall.

Did this really happen or is it a hoax ? Did someone document what happened, with names of athletes, coaches, officials involved, pictures ?