I figured that the course was just about 3 miles based on what babcock did last year at Woodbridge (a similarly fast, flat course)in 16:08 for 3 miles. saylor the year before ran second to Babcock in 16:35. So these times seem legit to me for 3 miles and just above. It is still very fast...faster than anyone else right now. More importantly it is their pack that is most impressive-2-5 only 15 seconds apart. That is what coaches are really looking at folks.