Peter Winter on Renato Canova

From E and J Athletics Staff:

Peter Winter

Peter has sports science degree from Victoria University and is level 4 multi-event coach. As an athlete Peter has an outstanding record - National U20 Decathlon champion -1990, National Open Champion 1993, 1996, Australian record holder and Olympian - 1996, Silver medal at Commonwealth Games in Victoria, Canada. Peter started coaching in 2001. In a short period of time Peter developed a group of young and talanted decathletes. Peter already produced a few Junior National Champions and one of his athletes Daniel Baliey qualified for the World Youth Championship. Peter also took St. Kevins college athletics team from obscurity to the top prestigious APS championships.

Get back to us when Mr Winter's athletes start going to the Olympics or how about when he produces a good distance runner since last i checked Canova was a distance coach.

I must confess until Letsrun, I have never heard of Roberto Canova. His posts are interesting but can be somewhat confusing to me.it may be the terminology. Other than the African born runners what non- african born runners has he coached to OG gold medals?

he also bashes 16 y.o high school kids....true story

I'm not sure if Canova coached Gelindo Bordin. Does the skin colour of Canova's athletes really matter? He's ten times the coach that this Peter Winter is.

i kinda like journalism wrote:

He's ten times the coach that this Peter Winter is.

You're being way too kind.... to Winter.

Ok so who are the OG gold medalists he has coached? Never heard of Winter. Thanks in advance.

I know Peter Winter, he's a good coach (coached Alex Rowe to 1.54 as a 14 year old, he's now 16 with Justin Rinaldi and running 1.50 point), and I race Alex and some of Peter's other athletes on a regular basis. I believe Peter knows a lot about the Soviet methods of periodisation, and is hence coming from that point of view.

I'm not saying for a second Canova's methods are poor or wrong, and I think that Peter is trying to get a bit of debate going about periodisation, and whether a single or double periodised year is better (Nick Bromley would do well to read that debate).

Haha yeah Nick Bromley would do well to read such a debate, but can you ever see him leaving bideau? Nike contract, world travell ect.

Peter Winter is a tool and has no basis, knowledge background, or any understanding of the sport. He coaches Duathletes for chrissake.

How does that sound, Peter Winter: Duathlete Coach to the Australian Juniors

or

Renato Canova, World Class Coach of World Champions

Innit? wrote:

Canova says the new system of training is based on high intensity. This is his second mistake. High intensity training cannot exist without low intensity training for very long. Balance must always be observed. Canova is lucky. He coaches one of the few population groups that have a naturally high base aerobic capacity. This area can be neglected for longer in such athletes before negative repercussions are noticed.

Discuss.

All Canova coached runners do high mileage in addition to high intensity.

So many annonymous attacks! Very brave indeed. You must be proud.

And why not start up a forum for the purpose of ridicule of another - so not only brave but pure in heart too.

So, both cowardly and twisted - well done!

Peter spoke respectfully of Renato but was critical of his methods. So what? I don't think Renato is going to be too worried I am sure he has been criticised before.

And Peter hadn't hidden his identity either.

Peter was an excellent athlete (an Olympian) and has been coaching a short time and has already achieved excellent results. His tenacity to get to the bottom of things and gain a true understanding is relentless.

How many of the attackers are themselves Olympians? Let us know how good you were.

He has ruffled a few feathers and may just be getting a bit too educated and some want to knock him down a peg or two.

Drivel you made a comment (drivel too) - now you know that what you say is not true. How about you post your name alongside of it, you coward.

Hey Tony. Wow. Calm down, eh?

Did Peter Winter not write whats quoted in the op of this thread? Well, if he did then it deserves to be attacked on the grounds that Canova was (veiled) attacked.

as for names, ask Skuj or cabral and a few others why they have decided to go undercover. Make a thread about it.

When you read his attack it was obvious that he hadn´t understood shit about Canova´s training methods. I´m not saying that Canova, or any other coach is a God, but it is extremely ridiculous when an ignorant nobody is trying to make himself a name by spewing out a lot of garbage.

cheers Tony and thanks too powerhouse, that is exactly what i was trying to do. (sh.t what have i done!)

I don't think i was emotional in my critique of Canova yet the responses so far have been exclusively emotional. I thought i was rational and objective and clear in my reasoning. I'm happy to be wrong but so far only my personal credibility has been questioned so there is nothing to respond to except this one thing

In 1994 April i left my coach and with the help of a few wonderful technical coaches did it myself. I was 23. By August the Australian record and a silver medal at the Commonwealths was mine. I was very happy. Then a knee operation i had been putting off, 9 months rehab before quickly gaining another Australian record and an Automatic spot to the Olympics. There, probably overconfidence cost me dearly and i never competed at the same level again although i continued training and learning. Eventually the learning took precedence and i became a coach.

So in this sense i have coached an Olympian albeit one who failed. (and pay homage to my coach Efim Shuravetsky for teaching me his wonderful way of looking into this sport)

Look, i'm probably wrong about Canova in the same way i was wrong about Tim Noakes. Who really cares. I'm on a mission to find out where i am wrong and search for this quite strongly. How many of you are doing the opposite. Simply reinforcing how you are already right.

Please critique my actual comments instead of my character.

Pete

gsddsgsdgsd wrote:

Haha yeah Nick Bromley would do well to read such a debate, but can you ever see him leaving bideau? Nike contract, world travell ect.

I think the lure of those things is too hard to resist but the one who does and finds the true way of training will gain more cash than Bideau will ever provide. I think the only way is for Bideau to take on these ideas himself. I mean the man is quite brilliant in what he does, surely he can apply that brilliance laterally into this stuff.

What Bideau needs is a coach who he can work with to get the fine details correct imo.

Sim: I am surprised that you are attacking Canova-perhaps attacking is too strong a word. I have read most of the Canova comments and articles and find him consistent and specific. A couple of years ago he said he was still experimenting- the ultimate sign of a good coach.

Where I agree with you is that his sample group is off the chart- a 2:09 marathoner is relative garbage in his world!

I am having a similar experience this season coaching. I adopted several of Clyde Hart's principles for my 400 group, without much success(the main point I was trying was to get faster by getting stronger) I think the theory may be valid, but it is much easier if the kids can run 20.0 to start with!

In particular, Canova's published training for Shaheen is very impressive and obviously worked.Interestingly, these last few days there have been some discussions about Moorcroft on here, and he too emphasized quality and year round speed(with lots of base)

My overall opinion is that it is the quality that counts most, but it is a delicate balance.

Best wishes

cheers

I think i was too abrupt in my initial statement and that is causing problems.

I think Canova is excellent. He has developed his system to the point where it not only works but does so very well and this takes time, acute observation skills and an excellent mind. It is consistent with physiological principles. It is able to be explained in simple language. And that language is not his natural one. Brilliance really.

The word 'mistake' is also too strong. Imbalance would be a better word for descriptive purposes.

Eg. "Canova uses the reason that now there is a double periodised year for competing. Here the first imbalance is initiated. Competitions are should be considered secondary to training."

Of course this is my opinion only.