Does anybody knows who was Fernando Mamede 1984 -10k record holder 27:13.81?

the buzz wrote:

Spellt rong wrote:

Some fans? They all had children who now post on Letsrun.

That is the funniest comment I have read on these forums. Very good.

If American track fans cared enough about the sport to throw paint on a 10,000 meter runner's house for a failed Olympic run, we'd be in much better shape. I would have welcomed that level of interest. Think of the flip side, Mamede, had he come through in the clutch, would have become the kind of national hero that Lopes was.

Spellt rong wrote:

trailrunner65 wrote: Back home in Portugal his fans expressed their disappointment by tossing paint over his house. "

Some fans? They all had children who now post on Letsrun.

You obviously know little about what happens to soccer players when their teams loses important matches: death threats, assaults, destroyed cars, having their wives called "whores" in the national newspapers etc.

Did Mamede ever place well at European Champs?

Mamede only competed in 3 Euros, 71,74,78 with mixed results. In 71 and 74 he ran both the 800 and 1500 setting national records in the 800 in each event but failing to make the final. In the 1500s, Mamede didn't make the finals, but set PRs in both events. 2 National 800 records and 2 1500 PRs isn't bad.

In 1978 he ran a seasonal best of 13:34.8 to qualify for the finals, but was drained from his effort and faded to 15th in the final.

malmo wrote:

Many people come to these message boards armed with selective memories. Mamade's competitive record was astonishing.

I think running off the track in the middle of an Olympic final is astonishing. Does that count as competing?

Les wrote:

I think running off the track in the middle of an Olympic final is astonishing. Does that count as competing?

One race doesn't make a career. The whole of Mamede's career was competitive as shown in Malmo's post.

Fernando Mamede was the best middle distance runner in Portugal during the 70s and 80s. He really didn't do too much on the world stage for those events, but here and there, according to his club's website (www.centenariodosporting.com), he performed pretty well for cross country, road races, and 10,000 meters.

During that 10,000 WR he was rabited by Carlos Lopes until the last lap. I've heard that their coach, Prof. Moniz Pereira, kept screaming for Mamede, while he was in 2nd, to catch Lopes. At the time, the relationship between the three was not very healthy and some people say that their coach cared more about Mamede than Lopes. This last was definitely a much better runner, no doubt, but Mamede seemed to have lots of trouble with pressure. Still, he marked a generation of Portuguese champions and regardless of his achievments he was an example to follow by other Portuguese champions during the 90s. Running professionally, twice-a-day, while working as an accountant for Sporting-Lisbon he managed to do his best.

European wrote:

Spellt rong wrote:

Some fans? They all had children who now post on Letsrun.

You obviously know little about what happens to soccer players when their teams loses important matches: death threats, assaults, destroyed cars, having their wives called "whores" in the national newspapers etc.

it gets worse than that players have been killed for having a bad moment in the world cup, and players family members have been kidnapped and/or killed.

ventolin wrote:

inexplicably he ran just a 13'12 for 6th in oslo just a few days before his 27'13wr - does indicate an up-'n'-down runner !

Lopes also ran an all-time 5,000m PB in that Oslo 5,000 race, just 3 days before Mamede's 27:13 10,000 WR. Lopes went on to run 27:17 during the same 10,000 race as Mamede's 27:13. In your mind does that mean Lopes was an up-n-down runner too?

About Mamede: his debut as a top-class athlete was as a European Junior 400m runner. Then he broke the Portuguese 800m record, and moved up to break the 1500m record, then the 5,000m and 10,000m records, all the way up to setting a 10-mile WR.

Some other achievements of Fernando Mamede:

— despite he ran during the peak era of Carlos Lopes and other elite Portuguese athletes, Mamede still managed to set a total of 17 Portuguese National Records. At one point he held the Portuguese National Records at all the following distances AT THE SAME TIME:

500m, 600m, 800m, 1500m, Mile, 3,000m, 2 Miles, 5,000m and 10,000m

— he was a two-time Olympian: 1972 - 800, 1500m and 4 x 400m, and 1982 - 10,000m

— he set the 10,000m European Record in a solo run (no pacemakers)

— he won the Portuguese Cross Country National Championships more times than Lopes

— he took 3rd place in Madrid World Cross Country Championships

— he was the first man to run more than 10 x sub-28:00 for the 10,000m

— for two whole seasons he did not lose a 5,000m race in what we refer to as the Golden Gala. This prveshe was a god racer. Simply he was too tense in major games.

Some more curious facts about Fernando Mamede:

— he had the highest VO2max recorded in the world (until that time)

— in training he once ran 3 x 3,000m as a single session, and ran sub-8:00 for each of the three intervals

— he used to run a session of 15-20 x 400m as negative split intervals. The first 200m would be approx 30 secs and the last 200m would be about 26-27 secs. He would run this session with only 50 secs recovery between the 400s.

— contrary to Lopes, Mamede hated LT runs and rarely did them. He used to train twice per day at 6:00-6:30m/m pace ib most of the days.

— despite all of the above, Fernando Mamede beat Carlos Lopes a total of only six times in approximately 100 races in which they both participated. One of these six victories was Mamede's 27:13 10,000m WR. That´s is not true that Lopes did lead that WR until the las lap. Before that Lopes took the lead the pacers were Steve Jones and Mark Nenow up the 7k. But that´s true that mamede smashed Lopes in the last lap.

If you are interested to know more about Portuguese training of that era, as well as more information about Mamede, Lopes or about other training issues, follow the Cabral & Hadd thread "2 kinds of runners: Which are you?" Subject: "More than one approach to running and racing" by clicking on this link.

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ventolin wrote:

inexplicably he ran just a 13'12 for 6th in oslo just a few days before his 27'13wr - does indicate an up-'n'-down runner !

13:12.83 (6) 1 Oslo 28 Jun

He finished 1st in that race, Eldrick. The parenthetic (6)is a designation of his final world ranking (by time) for the year.

Mamede's World Rankings

World Rankings

5000 7, 5, 1, 2 (81,82,83,84)

10000 7, 1, 5, 2, 5 (81,82,83,84,85)

Malmo

A very small point. I'm not sure that Mamede actually ran 13:14.6 in 1973 (of course, he ran much faster 10 years later). While I have come across one site that suggests that Mamede did run 13:14.6 in 1973, most other sites do not mention that time (perhaps because he ran it in a heat, which is really hard to believe). I see that the fastest 5000m time for 1973 was run during the same meet by Puttemans.

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_5000ok.htm

The first time Mamede appears in the T&FN Annual Ranking for the 5000m. was 1981. In 1973, 13:14.6 would have been one of the fastest 5000m. ever run.

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/rankings/men/5000worldranking.pdf

The T&FN 1973 annual review issue would provide a quick answer.

pela's lists indicate that 13'14.6 was by puttemans

it was i think 2nd fastest ever 5k run a the time, behind his own 13'13.0wr

Canwest1 wrote:

Malmo

A very small point. I'm not sure that Mamede actually ran 13:14.6 in 1973

Good catch, you should alert Tilastopa. Puttemans won Stockholm with a world leading 13:14 on Aug 7, 1973, not Mamede.

Antonio Cabral wrote:

Lopes also ran an all-time 5,000m PB in that Oslo 5,000 race, just 3 days before Mamede's 27:13 10,000 WR. Lopes went on to run 27:17 during the same 10,000 race as Mamede's 27:13. In your mind does that mean Lopes was an up-n-down runner too?

About Mamede: his debut as a top-class athlete was as a European Junior 400m runner. Then he broke the Portuguese 800m record, and moved up to break the 1500m record, then the 5,000m and 10,000m records, all the way up to setting a 10-mile WR

no

lopes wasn't an up-n-down runner, he was a plodder - one paced & no gear shift

he was obviously capable of running a fast 5k that year, but nothing spectacular

he probably was in the range of 3'40 - 3'45 over 1500 that year & give him 27'15 off ideal pace, he couda gone ~

7'38.5 - 7'44.8 , 13'06.7 - 13'12.9

i'd tend to favor latter end of range

as for mamede, that mantra of him breaking all portuguese records from 800m up is mostly due to those national records being weak - he went a 3'37 which was slowest western european continental record at the time & i'd have expected the 800 to have been significantly weaker compared to that ( i'd be surprised if he was much better than about 1'47 )

Of course he didn´t 13:14.6 in 1973.

All time 5000m Portuguese record

16.37,0 Aquilino de Sousa CIF Lisboa 04.05.1913

16.28,6 Albano Martins SCP Lisboa 09.08. 1922

16.20,6 José Maria Marques VJ Lisboa 14.06. 1924

15.37,0 José Marques Graça VJ Lisboa 12.07. 1925

15.29,4 Manuel Dias SCP Lisboa 14.07. 1929

15.25,8 Manuel Dias SCP Porto 26.07. 1930

15.25,0 Afonso Marques SCP Barcelona 27.07. 1946

15.25,0 Joaquim Branco CFB Lisboa 14.07. 1951

15.08,6 Filipe Luis SCP Lisboa 20.06. 1953

14.56,4 Manuel Faria SCP Lisboa 16.05. 1954

14.56,4 Júlio Silva SLB Lisboa 07.08. 1954

14.55,8 Manuel Faria SCP Berna 26.08. 1954

14.45,6 Manuel Faria SCP Lisboa 20.08. 1955

14.33,4 Manuel Faria SCP Barcelona 08.07. 1956

14.25,4 Manuel Faria SCP Lisboa 03.10. 1956

14.18,4 Manuel Faria SCP Barcelona 28.07. 1957

14.15,6 Manuel Oliveira SCP Roma 31.08. 1960

14.07,4 Manuel Oliveira SCP Hamburgo 20.09. 1962

14.00,6 Manuel Oliveira SCP Paris 12.06. 1964

13.51,4 Manuel Oliveira SCP Belgrado 01.09. 1966

13.50,8 Manuel Oliveira SCP Paris 04.07. 1968

13.50,2 Carlos Lopes SCP Madrid 29.06. 1972

13.46,8 Carlos Lopes SCP Lisboa (N) 05.08. 1972

13.42,8 Carlos Lopes SCP Lisboa (N) 28.07. 1973

13.41,4 Carlos Lopes SCP Lisboa (N) 18.08. 1973

13.34,2 Carlos Lopes SCP Lisboa (N) 22.06. 1974

13.34,2 Carlos Lopes SCP Lisboa (N) 19.07. 1975

13.33,8 Carlos Lopes SCP Zurique 20.08. 1975

13.26,8 Carlos Lopes SCP Colónia 21.05. 1976

13.24,0 Carlos Lopes SCP Saint Maur 02.06. 1976

13.21,93 Aniceto Simões CFSC Montreal 28.07.71976

13.17,78 Fernando Mamede SCP Estocolmo 04.07. 1978

13.14,6 Fernando Mamede SCP Lisboa (A) 10.06. 1982

13.07,70 António Leitão SLB Rieti 16.09. 1982

13.02,86 António Pinto MCP Zurique 12.08. 1998

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First Carlos Lopes 10000m attempt it was more slower 31:00

First Fernando Mamede 10000m run it was in 1975/76 (24 years old) and he did 29:42.

All time 10000m Portuguese record

35.17,0 Aquilino de Sousa CIF Lisboa 01.05.13

35.95,8 Domingos Jorge VJ Lisboa 30.07.22

33.29,0 António Almeida VJ Lisboa 09.07.25

33.15,0 António Almeida VJ Lisboa 18.07.26

32.23,8 António Almeida VJ Lisboa 02.07.27

32.15,8 João Silva SLB Lisboa 08.07.45

31.38,4 Filipe Luís SCP Lisboa 08.08.53

31.03,0 José Araujo SLB Lisboa 09.05.54

30.59,0 Júlio Silva SLB Berna 25.08.54

30.55,4 Manuel Faria SCP Lisboa 11.08.56

30.45,6 Manuel Faria SCP Lisboa 26.08.56

30.44,4 Manuel Faria SCP Barcelona 23.09.57

30.33,0 Manuel Oliveira SCP Lisboa (A) 25.08.61

30.31,2 Armando Aldegalega SCP Enschede 26.06.65

30.15,6 Manuel Oliveira SCP Marmande 11.07.65

30.05,8 Anacleto Pinto SLB Lisboa (A) 19.07.67

30.03,6 Manuel Oliveira SCP Lisboa 14.07.68

29.57,6 Anacleto Pinto SLB Lisboa 04.08.68

29.28,0 Carlos Lopes SCP Lisboa 08.06.71

28.53,6 Carlos Lopes SCP Munique 31.08.72

28.37,0 Carlos Lopes SCP Lisboa (N) 05.08.73

28.30,6 Carlos Lopes SCP Lisboa (N) 14.06.75

27.45,71 Carlos Lopes SCP Munique 29.05.76

27.45,17 Carlos Lopes SCP Montreal 26.07.76

27.42,65 Carlos Lopes SCP Estocolmo 09.08.76

27.37,88 Fernando Mamede SCP Paris 17.07.80

27.27,7 Fernando Mamede SCP Lisboa (A) 30.05.81 European record

27.24,39 Carlos Lopes SCP Oslo 26.06.82 European record

27.22,95 Fernando Mamede SCP Paris 09.07,82 European record

27.13,81 Fernando Mamede SCP Estocolmo 02.07.84 World record

27.12,47 António Pinto MCP Estocolmo 30.07.99 European record

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portuguese 800m record

1.49,7 Fernando Mamede SCP Bruxelas 28.06.70

1.49,0 Fernando Mamede SCP Barcelona 10.06.71

1.48,4 Fernando Mamede SCP Helsínquia 10.08.71

1.48,3 Fernando Mamede SCP Lisboa (N) 05.08.73

1.47,45 Fernando Mamede SCP Roma 02.09.74

portuguese 1500m record

3.46,9 Fernando Mamede SCP Lisboa 08.05.71

3.45,4 Fernando Mamede SCP Lisboa 16.04.72

3.42,8 Fernando Mamede SCP Lisboa 17.06.72

3.39,8 Fernando Mamede SCP Lisboa(N) 25.05.74

3.39,6 Fernando Mamede SCP Colónia 21.05.76

3.39,6 Fernando Mamede SCP Lisboa(N) 03.07.76

3.37,98 Fernando Mamede SCP Montreal 29.07.76

The other Mamede portuguese record in olympic distance.

Portuguese 4X400m relay

3.10,0 Fernando Silva, Alberto Matos, José Carvalho, Fernando Mamede Munique 09.09.72

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