Does anybody knows who was Fernando Mamede 1984 -10k record holder 27:13.81?

"Carlos Lopes had some success" I'd call winning gold in the Olympics marathon more than "some success". He was one of the greatest runners during those times. Also won World CC etc.

Here is a complete quote from World Record Breakers in Track and Field Athletics" by Gerald Lawson:

Fernando Mamede ( Portugal, b. 1951 )

27:13.81 Stockholm, Sweden 2 Jul 1984

" Fernando Mamede was an example of an athlete who could run brilliant times but was not qble to do himself justice at major track and field championships. He had been an international runner since running in the 1971 European 800m Championships. Mamede started running world-class times 10 years later, when he set the European 10,000m record twice in 1981.

It was in 1984 that her achieved the high point of his career with a world record of 27:13.81 in the 10,000m at Stockholm on 2 July 1984. He was chased home by his countrynab Carlos Lopes, and both men finished under the old record. This record, just before the Los Angeles Olympics, naturally led all Portugal to think Mamede was a hot favorite for the 10,000m gold medal. But he was a nervous runner at those big meetings and rarely reproduced his best form. The night before the Los Angeles 10,ooom final he hardly slept at all. His coach literally had to push him to the starting line. After 13 laps, well behind in the race, he simply ran off the track and out of the stadium. Back home in Portugal his fans expressed their disappointment bt tossing paint over his house. "

trailrunner65 wrote: Back home in Portugal his fans expressed their disappointment by tossing paint over his house. "

Some fans? They all had children who now post on Letsrun.

IN this web you can find a biography in portuguese

http://www.centenariosporting.com/index.php?content=1441

This is the book about his life

http://www.webboom.pt/ficha.asp?ID=100823

I have the book ,so if you need any aditional information i can send you

oscarsardoma@hotmail.com

I´m sorry ,i have a poor english

I love women wrote:

"Carlos Lopes had some success" I'd call winning gold in the Olympics marathon more than "some success". He was one of the greatest runners during those times. Also won World CC etc.

Plus a silver at 10,000m in '76. Hardly an afterthought to Mamede.

He is one of the best examples of why you should NOT judge runners just on their times, even world record holders. It's how they COMPETE with other world class runners. Mamede was a great talent, set a world record, but competed like a dog. Great physical strength, little mental strength. One more flop by Webb in another international championship and he might be accused of the same.

As many old guys already know, Mamede was a guy who could run fast, but he wasn't a racer.

If I remember right, Mamede was also a member of Portugal's 4 x 4 relay at the Munich Olympics

Lopes won world cross country three times to be exact.

Mamede was a real enigma. Unlike some of the other posters, I think he was a great racer. I remember a few Zurich 5Ks, 3Ks, and of course a few 10s where he was so impressive. He would just destroy amazing fields. The interesting thing was his dismal performances at the major championships. If there were rounds, he was great. By the final, he was simply horrible. I think he left many of the Portuguese people frustrated and clearly angry. Lopes on the other hand was simply one of the all time greats.

Hola Gaby.

World record video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA6YhbawUsY&NR=1

appears to have been great race in oslo '82 :

27:24.39 Carlos Lopes POR 18.02.47 1 Oslo 26.06.1982

27:25.61 Alberto Salazar USA 07.08.58 2 Oslo 26.06.1982

27:26.95 Alex Hagelsteens BEL 15.07.56 3 Oslo 26.06.1982

27:28.67 Henry Rono KEN 12.02.52 4 Oslo 26.06.1982

wr at time rono's 27'22.4

rono didn't run that many 10ks in his career - a rare defeat

luv to hear a race description of that one

Viseu PT wrote:Unlike some of the other posters, I think he was a great racer. I remember a few Zurich 5Ks, 3Ks, and of course a few 10s where he was so impressive. He would just destroy amazing fields. The interesting thing was his dismal performances at the major championships. If there were rounds, he was great. By the final, he was simply horrible.

Agreed. Many people come to these message boards armed with selective memories. Mamade's competitive record was astonishing. He beat almost everyone heads-up at the top venues on the European circuit, but his weakness was multiple rounds.

1973

13:14.6h 1 Stockholm 7 Aug

1976 25 years old

3:37.98 3h2 Montréal 29 Jul

3:59.43 (13) 8 Edinburgh 6 Aug

1980

27:37.88 2 Paris 17 Jul (Virgin 27:29)

1981 30 years old

27:27.7h 1 Lisboa 30 May

27:55.6h 2 Firenze 10 Jun

1982

27:33.37 1 Colombes 29 May

27:22.95 1 Paris 9 Jul

1983

13:21.39 1 Udine 12 Jun

3:39.6h 1 Lisboa 19 Jun

27:25.13 (3) 2 BislettOslo 9 Jul

27:36.80 1 AthletissimaLausanne 30 Jun

27:45.54 1h1 WCHelsinki 7 Aug

28:18.39 14 WCHelsinki 9 Aug

27:32.85 1 Lisboa 20 Aug

13:14.15 1 Zürich 24 Aug

13:09.92 1 Rieti 4 Sep

13:08.54 (1) 1 Tokyo 17 Sep

1984

5:00.8h 1 Lisboa 10 Jun

13:12.83 (6) 1 Oslo 28 Jun

27:13.81 (1) 1 DNGStockholm 2 Jul

28:22.13 1h1 OGLos Angeles CA 3 Aug

DNF OG Los Angeles CA 6 Aug

27:47.19 1 Paris 4 Sep

1985

27:41.09 3 Stockholm 2 Jul

1986 35 years old

27:47.84 1 Barcelona 15 Jun

1989

28:17.22 9 WG Helsinki 29 Jun

many thanks malmo

it looks like mamede couda come close to 5k wr in '84 in ideal race

trying this :

http://www.jundo.co.uk/

in shape of his life it's not unreasonable to say in ideal paced races he couda gone 3'37 - 3'38 / 27'10 that year ->

~ 7'34.1 - 7'35.4 , 13'01.6 - 13'02.8

inexplicably he ran just a 13'12 for 6th in oslo just a few days before his 27'13wr - does indicate an up-'n'-down runner !

ventolin wrote:

inexplicably he ran just a 13'12 for 6th in oslo just a few days before his 27'13wr - does indicate an up-'n'-down runner !

Mamede won Oslo. (6)th was his final rank for the year.

Over-the-house paint-tossing is a tradition that is sadly missed - it's ending can be mapped to the decline in European distance running.

mamedes coach said after the 1984 olympics when asked to compare mamede to lopes, lopes is a lot stronger mentally and mamede is much more talented, if mamede had lopes mental toughness he would never lose a race, he also mentioned mamede having trouble with rounds. read it in runnersworld in the mid 80s, mamedes 3 week training cycle for in season and off season training was posted in the runnersworld feature from the training log of.

Helper wrote:

ventolin wrote:

inexplicably he ran just a 13'12 for 6th in oslo just a few days before his 27'13wr - does indicate an up-'n'-down runner !

Mamede won Oslo. (6)th was his final rank for the year.

Mamede won with a 52 last lap. Lopes also did participate on that 5000m run and did his own 5000m PB there. Joao Campos did run that one also.

if he finished it in 52s then it pretty much means he strolled around for 11.5 laps & obviously musta been capable of going a helluva lot faster in a better paced race ( the kennster has produced 52s finishing laps in 12'50 races & we know he is capable of 12'37 in better paced race )

Spellt rong wrote:

trailrunner65 wrote: Back home in Portugal his fans expressed their disappointment by tossing paint over his house. "

Some fans? They all had children who now post on Letsrun.

That is the funniest comment I have read on these forums. Very good.