Had an object lesson today. I tried the 2 of the 3 olympic lifts:
snatch
clean & jerk
Wow. I have new respect for those Olympic lifters. Those are pretty challenging events, and I wasn't using anything like heavy weights.
Had an object lesson today. I tried the 2 of the 3 olympic lifts:
snatch
clean & jerk
Wow. I have new respect for those Olympic lifters. Those are pretty challenging events, and I wasn't using anything like heavy weights.
You might want to learn the press, the deadlift and the squat first. Then move on to the power lifts.
I heard that!
never again, my hamstrings were KILLING me today!!!!
Lydiard was right about weight training and running.
Yes Lydiard was so right because power, provided you keep the same body weight, is so horribly bad right? right?
I'm not sure why your hamstrings were hurting you. You were probably screwing the form up doing a good-morning or some crap.
The squat, power clean, and snatch are probably the best exercises and athlete (runner or otherwise) could every possibly do in the gym.
If done right you'll increase lean body mass while losing fat (maintaining the same total body weight) and increase the power in your legs which will lead to an increased stride length and thus increased speed.
You are sore because you have never lifted. Life more, hurt less.
Start with very light weight. Only use the 45lb bar on the power lifts. Then go from there. The moment you have to sacrifice form for "get'n the weight up" you are screwed and should stop.
Go to crossfit.com and look up the exercise demos and the other workouts. You'll see little 100lb chicks snatching well over 100 pounds and lifting weight and performing exercises most weak runners can not.
http://www.crossfit.com/mt-archive2/FGBDemoExplanation7.jpg
http://www.crossfit.com/mt-archive2/SCL1PhatHelen2.jpg
http://www.crossfit.com/mt-archive2/NicoleDoesLindaWOD-th.jpg
"Light weight"? Whooops. Now I get it.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Life more, hurt less.
wise words, my friend. wise words.
ooof wrote:
I tried the 2 of the 3 olympic lifts:
snatch
clean & jerk
Though things may have changed in recent years--I don't follow the sport closely--I think it's been a few decades since there were three Olympic lifts. I'm pretty sure there are only two: the two you did.
And when people talk about "starting light" on the Olympic lifts--sometimes they mean, not the bare 45lb bar, but much lighter: a broomstick, say, to work on proper technique before complicating things with added resistance.
Interesting datum: Olympic-style lifters have the quickest reflexes of all athletes.
That's some interesting website you frequent, Runningart. Do you like Denise Austin videos too?;)
present wrote:
ooof wrote:I tried the 2 of the 3 olympic lifts:
snatch
clean & jerk
Though things may have changed in recent years--I don't follow the sport closely--I think it's been a few decades since there were three Olympic lifts. I'm pretty sure there are only two: the two you did.
And when people talk about "starting light" on the Olympic lifts--sometimes they mean, not the bare 45lb bar, but much lighter: a broomstick, say, to work on proper technique before complicating things with added resistance.
Interesting datum: Olympic-style lifters have the quickest reflexes of all athletes.
The last Olympic that had 3 Olympic lifts was Munich in 1972.
No, but I frequent
as well as
http://www.charlespoliquin.com
Education never stops.
It's sad that elite or sub-elite runners know everything in the world about running but nothing about health, wellness, or fitness.
Alan
123lb Overhead Squat
http://www.crossfit.com/mt-archive2/NicoleBWx15OHS2.jpg
Bodyweight Overhead Squat. Try it!
Alan
Runningart2004 wrote:
Bodyweight Overhead Squat. Try it!
It's a great exercise, but if you're truly a beginner with strength training you should avoid all overhead work until your entire midsection (rectus, obliques, spinal erectors, etc.) is good and strong.
Overhead work can put considerable pressure on the spine and other structures of the lower back. Make sure that your strength, including upper-, mid-, and lower-back strength, is developed enough so that the muscles are carrying a good part of that load. Until then, there are typically other exercises that can develop the same body parts that are developed by overhead work, e.g. for shoulders: upright rowing rather than military press.
Well yeah, of course, but that's besides the point. I want to see silly people who have never lifted and have poor flexibility fall on their face. Heck, I lift once a week and still look silly doing an overhead squat..:)
Alna
Well yeah, of course, but that's besides the point. I want to see silly people who have never lifted and have poor flexibility fall on their face. Heck, I lift once a week and still look silly doing an overhead squat..:)
Alan
Not really a cult....just a way of training. Sort of like how some people do pilates.
Their workouts are a bit onesided, muscular endurance and anaerobic, but you can take parts of their routines and add them to your own workout. They can also serve as a good "gut check" or "benchmark" workout. Just something you do once a month to check your fitness.
Saw this on their website:
4 sets of
400m
50 air squats down to a 12in ball
The dudes were doing 1:15-1:30 for the 400s. Not fast, but they were cranking out the squats.
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_SpealZacRunSquat.wmv
Us runners tend not to have too much hip flexibility so those squats would be difficult to do correctly.
If you want to go and see how much you can hurt cross-fit would be a decent way to go.
Alan
Runningart2004, sounds like you're pretty open-minded about crossfit, and after I checked out their website, I also think there's value in adding elements of the crossfit program to a running program.
Two questions for you and for anyone else who uses crossfit:
1) what crossfit elements/workouts have you added to your running program?
2) have you found success with this (i.e., better times, less injuries, etc)?
Thanks.
Wow, I'm glad this thread enabled RunningArt to feel good about himself.
ooof wrote:
Had an object lesson today. I tried the 2 of the 3 olympic lifts:
snatch
clean & jerk
Wow. I have new respect for those Olympic lifters. Those are pretty challenging events, and I wasn't using anything like heavy weights.
Snatch? clean and jerk? Did anyone else think this thread was a joke?