McMillan Elite.

Bump.

Sounds like you're doing much better.

these guys are training for longer distance races. 3k is just a little speed work for them. give them some time, lets say until the 10k road championships to see what they can do before judging.

Give them some time. Most of them are running higher mileage than they ever have before. Wait a year or so and see how they are doing then before we judge. That's one of the problems here, everyone only thinks short term. We need to start thinking long term.

Everyone should always be running as fast as possible. No one ever does less than their best.

Oh wait. It's f***ing March.

I have serious doubts that most of these lads are going to be making US teams etc ever, they are good runners but nothing amazing! Can youimagine if Josh mcDougal decidde to go with mcMillan Elite when he finishes liberty and moves up to the marathon (which is defintetly happening this year), there would be a ridiculous amount of stick it'd be ridiculous!! The only truely good runner in that teaam is Andrew Lemoncello and i hope he keeps improving rather than stalling with mcMillan Elite.

On the other hand i like what Indiana Elite are about and they seem pretty damn good, shame they are losing Scott Overall in May when his VISA expires. Big loss as he was quite possibly their 'star' runner.

What about Martin Fagan- 2:14 marathon with a spasming back and hip..........?

They may not be running at their best right now, but from what McMillan usually says he is looking to a long term improvement, long term.. as in years. BUT, I would expect that all his healthy athletes will PR by the end of this year in their given event.

Another few months will give you a better indication of their fitness/ability etc..

Did you ever think that perhaps Greg sees POTENTIAL in these guys to actually be "pretty damn good" down the road??? in case you missed it, that's the whole point of developing guys like this.

Sure Jordan wasn't thrilled with his opening 15, but personally i thought it was not too shabby (he was aggressive the whole way and didn't die until the last 250m). the 15 is one of those events that by your 3rd-4th race you can drop 8-10 sec from the first one so i think jordan is going to do just fine. On Lemon, if you remove africans, then all of a sudden he's somewhere around 35-40 so that's not so horrible after all, is it?

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I was under the distinct impression that McMillan Elite were pretty damn good,....

Jordan horn, a recent 3.50 in a 1500, some other guy did 8.13 3k, Lemoncello had a pretty poor UK trials for the world cross and then an even poorer world cross event.

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And if you remove the Africans Torres wins gold. But that doesn't prove much, does it?

somerandomdude wrote:

On Lemon, if you remove africans, then all of a sudden he's somewhere around 35-40 so that's not so horrible after all, is it?

[quote]somerandomdude wrote:

if you remove africans, then all of a sudden he's somewhere around 35-40 so that's not so horrible after all, is it?

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I know this is off topic but quotes like this piss me off more than anything on this board. Are you saying that being the first non-african is some sort of major accomplishment. Why shouldnt we be expected to compete with Africans? Go crawl in a hole and f***ing die, you're a disgrace to the sport.

As for McMillan, he is a self-hyped wannabe, and most of his athletes are quickly self-destructing. The idea of his program is an awesome idea but they should find themselves a real coach if they want to go anywhere.

i suppose it proves that he had the best race of the non africans. if he happened to do a good road race with no africans we'd probably pat him on the back, hey isn't that what he did in NYC? point proved.

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What about Martin Fagan- 2:14 marathon with a spasming back and hip..........?

He did that before McMillian. if he stays with "McMillan Elite; epect him to NOT inprove.

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McMillan was Fagan's coach for that marathon. Read pretty much any of the newspaper articles related to his race to verify this.

McMillan Elite and Team Indiana Elite are development programs, just like Zap, Hansons and to a lesser extent Team USA Minnesota (they are now more elite than development, but when they started some of the athletes such as Lehmkuhle were at the same level as McMillanElite and TIE athletes are now). Like these three latter programs that started 5-8 years ago, the programs will mature and will develop athletes over time. If we want depth in distance running we need programs like these...and patience so that these athletes can develop with confidence post-collegiately.

woah woah there "fan" your post was sane and reasonable. you need to get off of letsrun.com immediately and let all of us noob's go on bashing anyone doing anything good ok?

As much as I love to bash everyone it is way to early to start bashing McMillan Elite or the Indiana group either. I would be more worried if they were tearing it up now. Give them at least a full year and really the measure of there success will need to be measured over years. Thats just the nature of the game.

McMillan Elite and Team Indiana Elite are development programs

I know from several conversations with the Indiana athletes and coach that the Team Indiana group was started NOT to be a development program. The desire was to help established elite athletes continue to do what they do.

For men to even get a slot in the Indiana group, they have to have met the Oly Trials B standard. They have 8 men and 4 women in the group who joined with the Oly Trials standard. 12 is probably more than any other group out there, and there are some great groups doing a nice job.

This just shows the need within the post-collegiate community for support. The Indiana group has free housing, a travel budget from Brooks, and a coach who doesn't charge the athletes a fee.

McMillan is a Lydiard style coach. You need long term vision, not the short term vision that has(d) ruined running in North American and western Europe.

If you look at the Japanese system, they are running well. They are mostly Lydiard mad in Japan.

The Africans grow up moving by foot. They build a strong aerobic base throughout their life ala Lydiard.

Give them the time they need, first.