Which meet was better in terms of the teams at the top and the overall quality of the field? By looking at regional and national polls, the coaches certainly seem to value Griak more. Just look at the Southeast region where the terrible Deacons at Wake Forest moved up to 4 after a 20th place finish. Clemson moved up to 5th after their 9th place showing at Great American, but was put behind Wake, Lets face it, Wake is in a down year, Clemson is a better team then them.
Well, the top 5 teams at Great American are ranked in the top 16, although NC State is underrated at 16. The top 6 teams at Griak are ranked in the top 15, although both Providence and Minnesota are probably both overrated. I would think that both NAU and Georgetown would have won Griak. Up front the meets were pretty similar. But after that the teams that finished outside the top 5 at Great American didn't get much respect, including Duke at 24. Maybe Griak was a little deeper, but i think we'll see at pre-nats that they weren't as different as the pollsters seem to think.
I still can't believe that NC STate is ranked so low....what is up with that. I think they have better team than they did the year they finished third...Maybe there is somthing going on I don't know about but I would place them higher maybe even 5 overall..Anyone close to the team no whats going on...I know they haven't really been running there top guys so someone tell me whats up. Is Chad Pearson hurt???
word is pearson and a couple other guys are redshirting, but i heard the rumor on the boards, so who knows if its accurate
here's why wake is ranked ahead of clemson.
Appalachian Track
Hy-Tek's MEET MANAGER
08/30/02 8:09 PM Mountaineer Open Page 1
Appalachian State University
State Farm - Boone, North Carolina - Friday 08/30/02
Event 2 Men's 4 Mile Run
MEN'S OVERALL TEAM SCORES
Rank School Total 1 2 3 4 5 *6 *7 *8 *9
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1 High Point University 32 1 2 4 8 17 23 24
Total time: 1:41:53.3
Average: 20:22.6
2 Wake Forest University 46 5 7 9 11 14 15 19
Total time: 1:42:56.1
Average: 20:35.2
3 Florida State Universit 71 10 12 13 16 20 21 25
Total time: 1:43:46.2
Average: 20:45.2
4 Clemson University 81 3 6 18 26 28
Total time: 1:44:32.2
Then why isn't High Point ranked ahead of Wake and Clemson? Cause they suck even with all their mediocre foreign imports. Who gives a #$!% about some crappy meet at Appalachian State. Maybe it's because the App State coach is the regional rep for the southeast. But are you really serious that you think this %$#$*$ 4 mile pre-season meet has anything to do with the current ranking. Wake got 20th at Griak, 20th! Griak wasn't that good of a meet.
NC State is ranked low for several reasons:
1) Pearson and Smith (All Americans) are both redshirting this season.
2)Brookshire (#2 man) suffered a concussion at great american xc festival.
3)Swann (#1 man) stung by bees at meet and is allergic, did not run so well.
The wolfpack should regroup by the end of the season and make a charge for a top 10 finish. Look for them to be in the hunt next year for a top 4 finish returning almost their entire squad.
What happened with Marlowe? And are Bader and Ruiz redshirting for sure?
I thought Pearson had already redshirted one year. Whats up with that.
Pearson has never redshirted cross country. He did redshirt both tracks though. Marlowe apparently twisted an ankle somewhere on the Great American course. I think he was a top 5 runner for the wolfpack going into great american so including Brookshire, they had two of their top 5 runners go down. Too bad, they could have given georgetown some competition for second place.
pretty much everything stated so far is accurate.
Pearson and Smith are redshirting
Brookshire got elbowed in the temple during GAXCF - concussion
Swann got stung twice - allergic (still ran, though)
Marlowe twisted his ankle around the 2mile and struggled through the rest of the race.
Without Brookshire, Swann, and Marlowe's incidents, State would probably have not only give Gt a run for 2nd, but severly beaten them and come close to NAU.
Bader won the open race, and if you insert his time into the seeded race, State would have beaten Gt by one point (even with all the other crap that went on). He very well could run in uniform at some point.
check articles on
under author name Todd Lion if you need any info on State's teams.
"If ifs and buts were beer and nuts we'd all have a fine party"
bad things happen to every team at every race. You either rise above them or you don't, no excuses.
^^^ I think everyone agrees with that.from the Technician article I gave a link to:
"We had a pretty rough day out there with one concussion, one bad ankle, some IVs and three bee-stings," said head coach Rollie Geiger. "Having said all that, we need to run better. You have to overcome things that happen in a race, and that's why you run seven guys: so five can get it done.
"We just flat-out didn't get it done. We had quite a few problems, particularly on the men's side, but excuses don't win races."
From what I've heard, it looks like Ruiz will be redshirting. But I can't make any gaurantee on that.