you mean a bunch of new york clogged arteries handicap the big 10 and sec for tv and you think the games are legit ? only an ncaa playoffs can mean anything substantial. the bowls are just fun runs, turkey trots.
you mean a bunch of new york clogged arteries handicap the big 10 and sec for tv and you think the games are legit ? only an ncaa playoffs can mean anything substantial. the bowls are just fun runs, turkey trots.
4 weeks of krispy kremes wrote:
coach, after 4 weeks of krispy kremes, you want me to do what ? play another football game !
Troy, is that you?
Flagpole Willy wrote:
No they couldn't.
Yeah, excuse us. Vanderbilt could only beat half the teams in the Big 10.
Coach D wrote:
There was a view expressed when Miami was the dominant team that a dominant team that wins the NC frequently goes along with a weak conference. The same view has been expressed with regard to USC. You could say the same thing about Ohio State and th3e Big 10. The Pac-10 was much stronger before Dixon went down injured, and USC likely would have been undefeated playing OSU had Booty not broken a finger in his throwing hand, but USC being not quite as dominant as they were does seem to coincide with the conference being stronger.
If Ohio State and Illinois meet relatively the same fate that OSU and Michigan had last year (which is what I expect) I don't see how you can argue the conference being stronger: You would simply have a team or two that is not quite so dominant that didn't play anybody except much weaker conference opposition.
Compared to the SEC, Big-12, and Pac-10, the Big 10 is simply slow, period.
slow?
please stop watching so much sportscenter. the sec could lose all their bowl games and i'd still hear how fast and how good they are. fact is, the sec was 1-2 against big ten teams in bowl games last year. please keep that in mind as it could happen again this year despite the fact that 5 big ten teams are playing in the opposing team's home state.
if ohio state beats lsu, it won't prove the big ten's any better than the sec, but it'll shut a lot of people up and maybe help them realize the big ten isn't as feeble as espn would make you believe.
Deuce McFeagleNuts wrote:
Flagpole Willy wrote:No they couldn't.
Yeah, excuse us. Vanderbilt could only beat half the teams in the Big 10.
2 or 3 maybe. No way half.
Coach D wrote:
Compared to the SEC, Big-12, and Pac-10, the Big 10 is simply slow, period.
I remember a no-name Badger cornerbank running down Darren McFadden from behind and preventing a touchdown last year when Wisco played Arkansas. Wisconsin won that game. Of course, there is no speed in the Big Ten..
Flagpole Willy wrote:
If you believe that an LSU wn proves the SEC is better, then why doesn't an OSU win prove the Big Ten is better? Reality is that you don't need LSU to win to prove to you that the SEC is better.
No matter what though, shouldn't an LSU win just mean that LSU is better than OSU? Why does a win for a team mean it's conference is better? If LSU beats Ohio State does that mean that the third best team in the SEC is better than the third best team in the Big Ten? I say no. Team vs. team only is the way to look at it.
I said it would confirm it, not prove it. I wouldn't use an LSU win as the main argument that the SEC is better this year, but it would make a good secondary one.
BCS=Big Crock of Sh*t. But besides that I would generally agree
LSU is a joke, they lost to a nothing Arkansas team.
Flaggy, let's see how the Michigan/UF and LSU/OS games come out and then it will be time to discuss which is the stronger league.
Happy New Year and keep posting.
fs
Flagpole Willy wrote:
I don't. Two teams play. The winner is better than the team they beat. Period.
Of course if LSU wins, SEC fans will say that proves the SEC is better, but if Ohio State wins, those same SEC fans would NEVER say that proves the Big Ten is better.
I'll say that the SEC is better top to bottom than the Big Ten this year. But, in the championship game, it only matters who wins with regard to the teams playing. An LSU win doesn't make Florida any better. An OSU win doesn't make Wisconsin any better.
So, just to be on the record, anyone want to claim that whoever wins this game proves to be in the better conference?
As to the original question, one BCS win certainly does not mean that one conference trumps another, though a BCS victory should be given more weight than other bowl victories. And with that, a couple of losses to more than one conference IN BCS BOWLS should be considered when assessing a conference's strength. The SEC, Big 12, and Big Ten all have two teams playing in BCS bowls this year, so the results should be interesting.
As to the first comment about the winner being the better team, well, that's just simply not true. If it were, then Illinois is a better team than OSU and should be playing in the championship game IF WE ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO IS THE VERY BEST TEAM IN ALL THE LAND, not just the BCS chump.
REGULAR-SEASON POST-SEASON OVER-ALL
UNIVERSITY/COLLEGE G W L T AVE. W L T AVE. W L T AVE.
1. Ohio State Buckeyes 648 484 144 20 .762 18 19 0 .486 502 163 20 .747
2. Oklahoma Sooners 676 502 162 12 .751 27 16 1 .625 529 178 13 .744
3. Penn State Nittany Lions 662 482 173 7 .733 25 10 2 .703 507 183 9 .732
4. Michigan Wolverines 655 479 161 15 .743 17 20 0 .459 496 181 15 .728
5. Texas Longhorns 670 487 173 10 .734 25 23 1 .520 512 196 11 .720
6. Nebraska Cornhuskers 676 480 187 9 .717 24 23 0 .511 504 210 9 .703
7. Tennessee Volunteers 676 469 184 23 .711 24 22 0 .522 493 206 23 .699
8. Notre Dame Fighting Irish 668 465 188 15 .707 12 15 0 .444 477 203 15 .697
9. Boise State Broncos 447 313 132 2 .702 15 10 0 .600 328 142 2 .697 1968-
10. Alabama Crimson Tide 682 474 191 17 .707 26 22 2 .540 500 213 19 .696
11. Southern California Trojans 679 466 190 23 .703 20 16 0 .556 486 206 23 .696
12. Florida State Seminoles 646 428 203 15 .674 22 13 2 .622 450 216 17 .671 1947-
13. Georgia Bulldogs 676 442 215 19 .668 23 17 3 .570 465 232 22 .662
14. Miami (FL) Hurricanes 670 436 226 8 .657 18 12 0 .600 454 238 8 .654
15. Miami (OH) RedHawks 654 418 217 19 .654 7 5 0 .583 425 222 19 .652
16. Arizona State Sun Devils 665 429 226 10 .653 12 10 0 .545 441 236 10 .649
17. Auburn Tigers 668 428 225 15 .652 18 15 1 .544 446 240 16 .647
18. Florida Gators 670 428 222 20 .654 22 20 0 .524 450 242 20 .646
19. Louisiana State Tigers 674 423 228 23 .645 21 16 1 .566 444 244 24 .640
20. South Florida Bulls 123 78 45 0 .634 1 1 0 .500 79 46 0 .632 1997-
21. U.C.L.A. Bruins 663 414 231 18 .638 13 14 1 .482 427 245 19 .632
22. Southern Mississippi Golden Eagles 658 409 242 7 .627 9 11 0 .450 418 253 7 .622
23. Arkansas Razorbacks 673 423 238 12 .637 11 24 2 .324 434 262 14 .621
24. Clemson Tigers 666 404 244 18 .620 14 14 0 .500 418 258 18 .615
25. Bowling Green State Falcons 645 379 247 19 .602 4 4 0 .500 383 251 19 .601
26. Mississippi Rebels 665 385 264 16 .591 19 11 0 .633 404 275 16 .593
27. West Virginia Mountaineers 672 397 262 13 .600 9 15 0 .375 406 277 13 .593
28. Central Michigan Chippewas 646 374 257 15 .591 6 3 0 .667 380 260 15 .592
29. Fresno State Bulldogs 688 401 275 12 .592 9 9 0 .500 410 284 12 .589
30. Western Kentucky Hilltoppers 625 358 249 18 .587 14 9 0 .609 372 258 18 .588
31. Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets 678 389 273 16 .586 19 12 0 .613 408 285 16 .587
32. Louisiana Tech Bulldogs 655 376 267 12 .583 12 6 1 .658 388 273 13 .585
33. Washington Huskies 669 385 271 13 .585 14 11 0 .560 399 282 13 .584
34. Middle Tennessee State Blue Raiders 656 378 265 13 .586 8 10 0 .444 386 275 13 .582
35. Brigham Young Cougars 686 399 277 10 .589 10 17 1 .375 409 294 11 .581
36. Virginia Tech Hokies 668 381 270 17 .583 8 14 0 .364 389 284 17 .576
37. Troy Trojans 612 344 257 11 .571 15 10 0 .600 359 267 11 .572
38. Boston College Eagles 654 364 279 11 .565 12 5 0 .706 376 284 11 .569
39. Michigan State Spartans 655 367 272 16 .573 7 10 0 .412 374 282 16 .568
40. San Diego State Aztecs 669 370 281 18 .567 4 4 0 .500 374 285 18 .566
41. Colorado Buffaloes 669 374 280 15 .570 13 16 0 .448 387 296 15 .565
42. Nevada Wolf Pack 629 353 270 6 .566 12 12 0 .500 365 282 6 .564
43. Toledo Rockets 647 354 279 14 .558 13 6 0 .684 367 285 14 .562
44. Syracuse Orange 655 362 286 7 .558 12 9 1 .568 374 295 8 .558
45. Texas A&M Aggies 677 369 290 18 .558 11 15 0 .423 380 305 18 .553
46. Wyoming Cowboys 669 364 293 12 .553 5 7 0 .417 369 300 12 .551
47. Hawaii Warriors 670 359 297 14 .546 8 5 0 .615 367 302 14 .548
48. Louisville Cardinals 645 349 288 8 .547 6 7 1 .464 355 295 9 .546
49. Maryland Terrapins 667 360 297 10 .547 9 11 2 .455 369 308 12 .544
50. Air Force Falcons 570 304 254 12 .544 9 8 1 .528 313 262 13 .543 1956-
51. Utah Utes 678 360 307 11 .539 9 4 0 .692 369 311 11 .542
52. Texas Tech Red Raiders 679 362 301 16 .545 9 17 1 .352 371 318 17 .538
53. East Carolina Pirates 647 339 299 9 .531 8 6 0 .571 347 305 9 .532
54. North Carolina Tar Heels 672 350 310 12 .530 12 13 0 .480 362 323 12 .528
55. Ball State Cardinals 622 321 282 19 .531 0 4 1 .100 321 286 20 .528
56. Arizona Wildcats 670 343 310 17 .525 5 6 1 .458 348 316 18 .523
57. Wisconsin Badgers 658 331 303 24 .521 10 8 0 .556 341 311 24 .522
58. Houston Cougars 660 338 308 14 .523 8 10 1 .447 346 318 15 .521 1946-
59. Rutgers Scarlet Knights 642 330 305 7 .519 1 2 0 .333 331 307 7 .519
60. Missouri Tigers 672 340 313 19 .520 10 12 0 .455 350 325 19 .518
61. Purdue Boilermakers 653 326 306 21 .515 8 7 0 .533 334 313 21 .516
62. Central Florida Golden Knights 314 161 152 1 .514 4 5 0 .444 165 157 1 .512 1979-
63. Western Michigan Broncos 640 323 304 13 .515 0 5 0 .000 323 309 13 .511
64. North Carolina State Wolfpack 673 334 322 17 .509 12 10 1 .543 346 332 18 .510
65. Memphis Tigers 642 319 310 13 .507 4 2 0 .667 323 312 13 .508
66. Iowa Hawkeyes 655 322 315 18 .505 11 10 1 .523 333 325 19 .506
67. Oregon Ducks 673 334 324 15 .507 7 11 0 .389 341 335 15 .504
68. Pittsburgh Panthers 664 327 320 17 .505 9 11 0 .450 336 331 17 .504
69. Tulsa Golden Hurricane 677 339 330 8 .507 4 8 0 .333 343 338 8 .504
70. Akron Zips 628 308 305 15 .502 3 4 0 .429 311 309 15 .502
71. Arkansas State Indians 644 312 312 20 .500 9 8 1 .528 321 320 21 .501
72. South Carolina Gamecocks 664 321 324 19 .498 4 9 0 .308 325 333 19 .494
73. North Texas Eagles 663 323 324 16 .499 2 9 0 .182 325 333 16 .494
74. Florida Atlantic Owls 79 38 41 0 .481 3 1 0 .750 41 42 0 .494 2001-
75. Army Cadets 656 314 323 19 .493 2 2 0 .500 316 325 19 .493
76. Cincinnati Bearcats 670 321 335 14 .490 6 4 0 .600 327 339 14 .491
77. Stanford Cardinal 660 314 329 17 .489 7 6 0 .538 321 335 17 .490
78. Alabama-Birmingham Blazers 188 91 95 2 .489 0 1 0 .000 91 96 2 .487 1991-
79. Connecticut Huskies 631 300 318 13 .486 2 1 0 .667 302 319 13 .487
80. Virginia Cavaliers 669 322 339 8 .487 7 9 0 .437 329 348 8 .486
81. Oklahoma State Cowboys 671 314 339 18 .481 10 6 0 .625 324 345 18 .485
82. Marshall Thundering Herd 653 297 342 14 .466 33 10 0 .767 330 352 14 .484
83. San Jose State Spartans 668 314 340 14 .481 5 3 0 .625 319 343 14 .482
84. California Golden Bears 674 317 342 15 .481 6 7 0 .462 323 349 15 .481
85. Northern Illinois Huskies 650 307 333 10 .480 3 6 0 .333 310 339 10 .478
86. Utah State Aggies 670 313 348 9 .474 1 5 0 .167 314 353 9 .471
87. Minnesota Golden Gophers 652 300 337 15 .472 5 7 0 .417 305 344 15 .471
88. Baylor Bears 671 305 352 14 .465 8 8 0 .500 313 360 14 .466
89. Colorado State Rams 679 311 358 10 .465 5 7 0 .417 316 365 10 .465
90. Kansas Jayhawks 675 300 355 20 .459 4 6 0 .400 304 361 20 .458
91. Texas Christian Horned Frogs 671 297 353 21 .458 7 10 1 .417 304 363 22 .457
92. Illinois Fighting Illini 651 287 343 21 .457 6 8 0 .429 293 351 21 .456
93. Kentucky Wildcats 676 299 360 17 .455 6 5 0 .545 305 365 17 .456
94. Navy Midshipmen 659 291 349 19 .456 6 7 0 .462 297 356 19 .456
95. Washington State Cougars 668 293 357 18 .452 5 3 0 .625 298 360 18 .454
96. Louisiana-Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns 658 290 356 12 .450 0 1 0 .000 290 357 12 .449
97. Idaho Vandals 651 286 358 7 .445 7 11 0 .389 293 369 7 .443
98. Southern Methodist Mustangs 652 277 356 19 .439 4 4 1 .500 281 360 20 .440
99. Ohio Bobcats 652 278 358 16 .439 1 4 0 .200 279 362 16 .437
100. Louisiana-Monroe Warhawks 597 254 335 8 .432 5 3 0 .625 259 338 8 .435 1951-
101. New Mexico Lobos 685 294 382 9 .436 3 6 1 .350 297 388 10 .435
102. Mississippi State Bulldogs 661 278 368 15 .432 5 6 0 .455 283 374 15 .432
103. Buffalo Bulls 544 231 306 7 .431 231 306 7 .431
104. Nevada-Las Vegas Rebels 442 186 252 4 .425 3 3 0 .500 189 255 4 .426 1968-
105. Duke Blue Devils 666 273 372 21 .426 2 3 0 .400 275 375 21 .425
106. Oregon State Beavers 669 273 382 14 .419 7 4 0 .636 280 386 14 .422
107. Iowa State Cyclones 662 264 379 19 .413 2 7 0 .222 266 386 19 .411
108. Eastern Michigan Eagles 623 241 363 19 .402 1 1 0 .500 242 364 19 .402
109. Rice Owls 672 258 400 14 .394 3 4 0 .429 261 404 14 .395
110. Wake Forest Demon Deacons 667 252 401 14 .388 5 3 0 .625 257 404 14 .391
111. Indiana Hoosiers 652 245 396 11 .384 3 5 0 .375 248 401 11 .384
112. Kent State Golden Flashes 640 242 389 9 .385 0 2 0 .000 242 391 9 .384
113. Tulane Green Wave 672 250 408 14 .382 3 4 0 .429 253 412 14 .383
114. Kansas State Wildcats 670 251 411 8 .381 7 9 0 .437 258 420 8 .382
115. Temple Owls 635 231 391 13 .374 1 0 0 1.000 232 391 13 .375
116. Texas-El Paso Miners 668 241 414 13 .371 5 6 0 .455 246 420 13 .372
117. Vanderbilt Commodores 672 228 425 19 .353 1 1 1 .500 229 426 20 .354
118. New Mexico State Aggies 659 228 424 7 .351 2 0 0 1.000 230 424 7 .353
119. Northwestern (IL) Wildcats 654 227 417 10 .355 1 5 0 .167 228 422 10 .353
120. Florida International Golden Panthers 68 16 52 0 .235 16 52 0 .235 2002