Tulsa, OK

Funny, just had to mention the fact that everyone in Tulsa that got rejected by BTW has a very bad attitude when talking with a BTW grad and this is what happens...ha.

As for basically your entire idiotic rant, I CANT REMEMBER A DECENT DISTANCE RUNNER COMING OUT OF TPS PERIOD! Admit it! Shit, I placed 16th in conference XC as a freshman on a base of maybe 15 miles, soccer, and a budding interest in cigerettes and booze. Where were you? 17:00s won all the time in that city, so don't pretend like there was ever any really good distance talent (even you, whoever you are) that has come from any TPS school in a long, long time. As for BTW track, yeah, I also ran against alot of the short distance guys and more than held my own (not going to glory hunt on the back of practice sessions done 13 years ago, but yeah...I took down Aaron Lockett at the 200 on a shitty, shitty track if you ever saw ours). Most likely, I could have been a lot better than I let myself be back then because of a: soccer b: HAVING TO HAVE A FULLTIME JOB SINCE I WAS 16 and c:drinking/smoking. Untill that kid from Holland Hall recently, I can't think of anything thats come out of Tulsa area prep distance running that has been at all nationally impressive. I'm not calling you out, but yeah, state champion in what and which class (never kept up with memorial athletics)?

Jesus, you really are that hung up that you want to compare ACT scores? I got a 32 and only took it at the last second because I didn't think I was going to college because my dad got laid off my Junior year. I had a 2.7 GPA because I had too much fun NOT being in school. My parents didn't pay a dime of my education, and yes, I'm in a cubicle in Alpharetta, GA managing the entire east coast for a multinational finance firm, all of my own accord and work. You want to compare current financial information for what reason or validation? I'm happy where I am and I wish that for all your posturing and chest beating, you could find happiness where you are. I never made any statement about "money growing up", I think you're the only one that has even put that into this conversation, all I said is I know those piece of shit apartments where you grew up, I used to buy weed there. Not everyone who went to BTW where rich, far far from it. Your characterization of my old neighborhood is off and dated, check the current prices of the Florence Park neighborhood realestate. I couldn't pay you to live in Midtown/Downtown, fine; you couldn't pay me to live in South Tulsa with closed minded twats like...

Hell, anyway, you made my case for me: that you have to do 8x loops of one course to get any meaningful hill distance speaks volumes for what I was saying: there aren't many hills in tulsa.

Calm down.

What this person said.

Another good hilly area, if you're bold, is north tulsa around Resevoir hill and the Osage hills...lots of long, rolling road but drivers go very fast with a certain redneck element.

The run from campus to the river is quick and there is a good trail network that you can pick up just south of downtown, but the east bank of the river trails are all torn up right now (went back for turkey day). And the TU team and coaches are good guys; ran into them spring before last at the River and a pair of them didn't mind me running with them for a few miles; they may chase you off the track at times, but I think it's still open to the public on Tuesday nights.

blah, blah, blah, blah...typical booker t..you think people are actually begging to go to washington? ha! delusional! no one cares about that crap school! beat aaron lockett over 200m?! riiiiight. to answer, i was state champion in 3200m my junior year. i think you know what class memorial is. ran 16.04 on the old ORU xc course as well. admit it, dude. you're completely talking out of your ass. you have no idea about the south tulsa routes either. hard to run and know them in alpharetta, don't you think? you sound like a real excuse maker anyway- i did this, but "oh yeah, smoking and drinking, only took the act at the last minute, etc." typical. man up, hornetboy. 16th in your conference was what, maybe 18 minutes? come on, man. you've got to be kidding me. again, thanks for the entertainment. i am off to belize to do some diving...have a GREAT time "managing the entire eastern seaboard"- bah! good one!

Whatever; if all this loud bullshit talking has made you feel any better, glad I could help your sad life along. Yeah, my freshman 16th was in the 18s (only and last year I competed), and thats how shitty TPS distance running is. You want to pump your chest about your TOTALLY AWSOME RAD LIFE and shoot down someone elses? Whatever...typical south tulsa stuckup piece of shit. All that acomplishment in your life really hasn't changed the fact that you're a twat.

Well, haha, don't lie or reveal things that make you seem more pathetic:

http://www.ohstrack.com/past3200boys.asp

So, if you are actually Mike Cole, you are 52-55.

Is that you? Is this how midlife crisis jerks pound their chests?

If you're not, why lie about winning state?

silence is golden

ah! glad i checked this at the airport. now, i didn't say what hs i graduated from, did i? after my father's accident, we actually moved a bit further north and east if that helps you out any, mr. hornetsleuthboy. and to top that, what a great surprise to find out that my win was a bit faster than i remembered! actually, i'll have to check and see if i still have the article in the attic...i really am not sure if that is the correct time. weird. anyway, no lies here, toughguy! sooo...let me get this straight...you are reveling in a glorious 16th place in 18 minutes? ouch. all that time trying to be cool made you quit or what? if you give working as an excuse (as you are oft to do), then i will call you on that. i worked since i started junior high after my dad got injured. if you give doing another sport as an excuse, i also played soccer during the spring, as well as football in the fall. try running a hard 5k and then suiting up for a game. try center forward on a friday night game and then running 3 events on a saturday. look, believe what you want about the hills, little buddy. i can guarantee you that there are routes in tulsa every bit as tough as you have run ANYWHERE. judging now from what i know about you, you likely wouldn't last long before an excuse to bag it came up anyway. i will tell you, if somehow or another you are able to put everything together and determine who i am from that list and you broadcast it on here, be a man and put your own name up for all the world to see as well. that way, i can call your employer and verify that you are in charge of the "whole eastern operations" of your company...and then will document it on here. as a side note, the loop mentioned at holland hall is no longer accessible. there is a big fence that was put up quite awhile ago...obviously, that great track is also inaccessible now as well...respectively, to the other poster, being from BA definetly doesn't make you knowledgeable about the areas that are mentioned in this thread on the hills- unless you trained with the tulsa track club or jenks boys...next time you guys are in tulsa, go check that area out. you will be amazed. flight is boarding. back in 10 days.

It's really easy to google, and why would you claim Memorial HS and talk all this knob about training in Tulsa, etc, if you didn't graduate from a Tulsa school?

Never "reveled" in anything, just stated that if I could get 16th as a 15 year old in 18 minutes for Green Country, same as Memorial, TPS sucks for distance. I quit because we had a crackhead (no lie) as a coach (coach nash), I had to work durring practices and soccer was more lucrative for me (never mentioned how I did go to college, right?)

So hold up:

You're parents moved to south tulsa from the shithole apartments behind Childrens Medical Center after you graduated.

but

You moved after your dad got injured.

Which was in junior high.

Yet you went to Memorial HIGH SCHOOL, but didn't graduate from there.

And instead went to a school that was from the north and east, unless you are saying you went to Northeast HS in OKC, in which case you shouldn't be in the post.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave.

The fact that you are saying you played spring soccer is hilarious, that means you only played high school? If you know anything about soccer in Oklahoma, you know club is king and we played year round. I'll give you a hint: United.

Seeing as how I'm coming back from a torn miniscus right now, no. But give me till the spring, then come see me in Atlanta and I'll take you a run that will tear your quads.

Whoever you are, you aren't on that list. Email me at

and I'll give you my name and daytime phone number, chief.

Whatever juco you went to didn't teach you proper quoting technique, but whatever...

And like that "he's" gone.

Memorial HS- Come on man I was supporting the city of Tulsa and those areas with you. I ran with TTC back in the 90s when Mike Cliff and Ben Lake ruled the high school scene. With TTC and TU xc, we would meet at Lafortune and run all over the areas you are talking about. Moreover, I have ran pretty much all over Tulsa and BA with the exception of a few neighborhoods. That is too bad about the Holland Hall trails. Is the fence jump-able?

I forgot to mention back in HS summers I would drive out to do hill repeats on Sheridan and Yale. I think that covers it.

thetulsanator wrote:

I'm considering going to the University of Tulsa for graduate school because they offered a pretty hefty scholarship.

Sorry, can't help, only got within 24 hours of the place.

You mean when Mark Thompson ruled the high school scene.

Yes, Thompson ruled on the track the spring of 97 and pretty much every year in cross, but I was talking more about the guys of the Tulsa Track Club (Cliff and Lake). Cliff won the the 1600 and 3200 at state and Texas Relays 2 mile in the spring of 1996. It was always an east/west rivalry between Thompson and Cliff. Overall, I'm sure Thompson was ahead.

The Tulsa Runner is a pretty good specialty running store, from what I've heard.

Well said Mr Webb. Tulsa is a fantastic place to run. I moved from England for 2 years to run for the XC team. Two of the best years of my life. I could have ran on riverside 365 days of the year but there are plenty of other places to run. I always enjoyed Mohawk Park myself. Hope all is well in Atlanta Kyle.

Stormin

iv visted stormin when he was in tulsa and really enjoyed it. running was pretty good aswell, it never effected me and i ran at the world x just gone, so cant be to bad.

KW you live in atlanta now? Cool so do I. Same number as always.

JA

Tulsa is a wonderful town and wonderful place to run. Great tracks, great trails. Incidentally, I hate to be the odd man out, but I'm going to have to agree with memorial hs regarding the hills. They aren't the toughest I've trained on, but they will definetly do the job. I know exactly the golf ball hill he is talking about. The neighborhoods behind it are BRUTAL. I used to hammer a run back there with Ronnie Parks when he and I were both younger men. Grant me a funny story: Joe Falcon and a buddy of mine from the U of A stayed at my parents house one year when we were all in town for the Tulsa Run. I remember we did our Sunday run the next day back in those neighborhoods. They were pissing and moaning the whole time! Funny! Unfortunately, the glory days have long since passed. Before I forget, I am curious about that list you found, 9. My time in 1990 is also wrong.

Not to further stoke the debate between 9 and memorial hs, but I'm almost positive that I know who memorial hs is. Growing up in Tulsa, he was kind of a legend on the running scene. I know that Ronnie used to mention his name quite often. Plus, it was always his meet records that I was chasing. If it is the same guy I am thinking of, I know for sure that he was on at least one Junior World Cross squad and maybe even a Senior one as well? I'm almost positive that he ran 28 something over 10k back in the mid 80's. I ran for the Tulsa Spikes in the Summers and I know that he gave quite a bit of money to the private track clubs. So, for what it's worth, if this is him, he is definetly legit. He always seemed like a pretty nice guy to boot. I know he had one of the few Ferraris in Tulsa back in the day!

Lastly, I came back to Tulsa for Thanksgiving a week ago and yes, there is a fence all around Holland Hall! What's the deal with that?

Nate Miller

Stormin wrote:

Well said Mr Webb. Tulsa is a fantastic place to run. I moved from England for 2 years to run for the XC team. Two of the best years of my life. I could have ran on riverside 365 days of the year but there are plenty of other places to run. I always enjoyed Mohawk Park myself. Hope all is well in Atlanta Kyle.

Stormin

stormin, your name is a bit of a legend in these parts. coach gulley still mentions you regularly!

like stormin did, i have moved to tulsa from england for 2 years and so far am having a great time. plenty of places to run/train though turkey mountain is probably my favourite.