Based on tradition, strength of current teams(XC and track), coaching(past and present), facilities, fan-community support, recruiting, and academics.
Who are the top 5?
Based on tradition, strength of current teams(XC and track), coaching(past and present), facilities, fan-community support, recruiting, and academics.
Who are the top 5?
1. Oregon
2. Arkansas
3. Colorado
4. Stanford
5. Wisconsin
pablo wrote:
1. Oregon
2. Arkansas
3. Colorado
4. Stanford
5. Wisconsin
Good thing ACADEMICS (sarcasm) weren’t mentioned as part of the criteria as you would have to exclude the top two automatically.
University of Arkansas - Ranked #124 (out of 124)
University of Oregon - Ranked #112 (out of 124)
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.phpHmmm... too bad you can't read; academics were the seventh criterion included in the initial post!
wtf wtf wrote:
Hmmm... too bad you can't read; academics were the seventh criterion included in the initial post!
That doesn't mean that it was the least important criterion. And he didn't even take it into account at all
Using your criteria, let's create a scale, 1-5 for 1 being Best and 5 being Worst, so lowest score wins...
1. Oregon
> Tradition, 1
> Strength of Current Teams, 2
> Outdoor, 10th Place (1 point)
> Indoor, 19th Place (2 points)
> Cross Country, 5th Place (1 point)
> Coaching: Present, 1; Past, 1
> Facilities: 2
> Fan-Community Support: 1
> Recruiting: 1
> Track & Field News Ranking, 3rd
> Academics: 4
> USNews Ranking, 112th Place
> Total, 13
1. Stanford
> Tradition, 1
> Strength of Current Teams, 1
> Outdoor Track, 10th Place (1 point)
> Indoor Track, 4th Place (1 point)
> Cross Country, 4th Place (1 point)
> Coaching: Present, 2; Past, 1
> Facilities: 1
> Fan-Community Support: 4
> Recruiting: 2
> Not Ranked by Track & Field News
> Academics: 1
> USNews Ranking, 4th
> Total, 13
3. Colorado
> Tradition, 1
> Strength of Current Teams, 3
> Outdoor Track, 37th Place (3 points)
> Indoor Track, 32nd Place (3 points)
> Cross Country, 1st Place (1 point)
> Coaching: Present, 1; Past, 2
> Facilities: 2
> Fan-Community Support: 1
> Recruiting: 3
> Not Ranked by Track and Field News
> Academics: 3
> USNews Ranking, 79th Place
> Total: 16
3. Arkansas
> Tradition, 1
> Strength of Current Teams, 2
> Outdoor Track, 62nd Place (4 points)
> Indoor Track, 7th Place (1 points)
> Cross Country, 5th Place (1 points)
> Coaching: Present, 1; Past, 1
> Facilities: 1
> Fan-Community Support: 3
> Recruiting: 3
> Not Ranked by Track & Field News
> Academics: 4
> USNews Ranking, 124th Place
> Total, 16
5. Wisconsin
> Tradition, 2
> Strength of Current Teams, 1
> Outdoor, 7th Place (1 point)
> Indoor, 1st Place (1 point)
> Cross Country, 2nd Place (1 point)
> Coaching: Present, 1; Past, 3
> Facilities: 4
> Fan-Community Support: 3
> Recruiting: 1
> Track & Field News Ranking, 6th
> Academics, 2
> USNews Ranking, 38th
> Total, 17
pablo,
Excellent knowledge of the sport.
At least they are ranked.
Leirbag wrote:
Using your criteria, let's create a scale, 1-5 for 1 being Best and 5 being Worst, so lowest score wins...
1. Oregon
> Tradition, 1
> Strength of Current Teams, 2
> Outdoor, 10th Place (1 point)
> Indoor, 19th Place (2 points)
> Cross Country, 5th Place (1 point)
> Coaching: Present, 1; Past, 1
> Facilities: 2
> Fan-Community Support: 1
> Recruiting: 1
> Track & Field News Ranking, 3rd
> Academics: 4
> USNews Ranking, 112th Place
> Total, 13
1. Stanford
> Tradition, 1
> Strength of Current Teams, 1
> Outdoor Track, 10th Place (1 point)
> Indoor Track, 4th Place (1 point)
> Cross Country, 4th Place (1 point)
> Coaching: Present, 2; Past, 1
> Facilities: 1
> Fan-Community Support: 4
> Recruiting: 2
> Not Ranked by Track & Field News
> Academics: 1
> USNews Ranking, 4th
> Total, 13
3. Colorado
> Tradition, 1
> Strength of Current Teams, 3
> Outdoor Track, 37th Place (3 points)
> Indoor Track, 32nd Place (3 points)
> Cross Country, 1st Place (1 point)
> Coaching: Present, 1; Past, 2
> Facilities: 2
> Fan-Community Support: 1
> Recruiting: 3
> Not Ranked by Track and Field News
> Academics: 3
> USNews Ranking, 79th Place
> Total: 16
3. Arkansas
> Tradition, 1
> Strength of Current Teams, 2
> Outdoor Track, 62nd Place (4 points)
> Indoor Track, 7th Place (1 points)
> Cross Country, 5th Place (1 points)
> Coaching: Present, 1; Past, 1
> Facilities: 1
> Fan-Community Support: 3
> Recruiting: 3
> Not Ranked by Track & Field News
> Academics: 4
> USNews Ranking, 124th Place
> Total, 16
5. Wisconsin
> Tradition, 2
> Strength of Current Teams, 1
> Outdoor, 7th Place (1 point)
> Indoor, 1st Place (1 point)
> Cross Country, 2nd Place (1 point)
> Coaching: Present, 1; Past, 3
> Facilities: 4
> Fan-Community Support: 3
> Recruiting: 1
> Track & Field News Ranking, 6th
> Academics, 2
> USNews Ranking, 38th
> Total, 17
Now scale that using the top 124 schools in the nation. Any team ranked in the top 25 XC programs and the top 90 academic schools will score better than both Arkansas and Oregon. This list includes:
University of Notre Dame
University of California—Berkeley
University of Virginia
Georgetown University
University of California—Los Angeles
University of Michigan—Ann Arbor
College of William and Mary
University of Texas—Austin
University of Minnesota—Twin Cities
Brigham Young University—Provo
University of Florida
Iowa State University
North Carolina State University—Raleigh
Of course this assumes equal weighting (which isnt correct), but the point is that if ACADEMICS is including in the scale...the list changes materially.
take it easy with all the typing, just say osu
xcrunner5 wrote:
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Now scale that using the top 124 schools in the nation. Any team ranked in the top 25 XC programs and the top 90 academic schools will score better than both Arkansas and Oregon. This list includes:
University of Notre Dame
...
Oh, the things folks will do to get Notre Dame listed.
CU
Wisconsin
Oregon
Arkansas
Stanford
Michigan
N.C. State
Notre Dame
Georgetown
Texas
Cal
UTEP
xcrunner5 wrote:
Good thing ACADEMICS (sarcasm) weren’t mentioned as part of the criteria as you would have to exclude the top two automatically.
University of Arkansas - Ranked #124 (out of 124)
University of Oregon - Ranked #112 (out of 124)
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php
Yes because the college rankings really rank the schools academic quality. They will teach you essentially the same thing for undergrad whether you go to Stanford or Arkansas. Stanford has more research $, better grad schools, and rejects more applicants. Does this mean you will be better off academically going to Stanford? No, but you sure as hell will pay for it!
Seriously, don't base your college decision on the US news (cough BIASED cough) rankings.
Ranked #124 out of the top 124. US News only assigns a number to the top 124. The remain schools are listed alphabetically. From their website:
"In order to focus on the best schools, U.S. News publishes the numbered rank of approximately the top 50 percent of schools in all the categories. The remaining schools are placed in tiers or broad groups, based on their overall score in their category (the third and fourth tiers), and listed alphabetically."
I agree. Any member of the media who states that Stanford is academically stronger than Arkansas at the undergraduate level has a liberal bias.
top 5 based on recent/past success and academics:
Stanford, Michigan, Wisconsin
not including academics:
Colorado, Arkansas, Oregon
thats 6, but I don't think anyone could be eliminated
Dropping last year from consideration, Arkansas has had way more success in track than the other schools named. The original premise asked about both the track and cross country programs. All that's been addressed is distance running.
why is "past coaching" a category?
that has no bearing on the current running program at all, even tradition means very little. For example, if we were ranking best Collegiate Football programs I wouldn't give extra points to Notre Dame football this year because they have good tradition and past coaching.