Is this shoe really worth $120.00? I liked the way that the first ones felt, but was scared that the soft sole would disappear quickly.
Is this shoe really worth $120.00? I liked the way that the first ones felt, but was scared that the soft sole would disappear quickly.
I like them. In the Vomero 2 the sole is much more durable and doesn't disappear quickly.
Not sure about the $120 price, but the outsole is very durable and so are the soft cushioning characteristics.
My biggest beef with the shoe is that it seems to slow my tempo, quite a bit. When I run in NB 825's or Asics Speedstar II's, with the same percieved effort on a 10 mile run, I'm 1-1:30 faster per mile than when wearing the Vomero II's.
zero gravity wrote:
Not sure about the $120 price, but the outsole is very durable and so are the soft cushioning characteristics.
My biggest beef with the shoe is that it seems to slow my tempo, quite a bit. When I run in NB 825's or Asics Speedstar II's, with the same percieved effort on a 10 mile run, I'm 1-1:30 faster per mile than when wearing the Vomero II's.
1-1:30 PER mile? That is just stupid. For the entire 10 miles I could see, but there is NO way that the shoes slow you down that much for each mile with everything else being equal.
zero gravity wrote:
Not sure about the $120 price, but the outsole is very durable and so are the soft cushioning characteristics.
My biggest beef with the shoe is that it seems to slow my tempo, quite a bit. When I run in NB 825's or Asics Speedstar II's, with the same percieved effort on a 10 mile run, I'm 1-1:30 faster per mile than when wearing the Vomero II's.
It's not very hard to find a pair discounted on line. I'm on my second pair, and I love them. I paid $120 for the first pair, which is WAY more than I've ever paid for a running shoe before, but they had just come out, and I needed a new pair of something fast, so I didn't feel like I could wait for the next Eastbay sale. But I think it's a great shoe, and I'll second the post saying that it's not much of a speed shoe, per se. I use it for long runs and recovery runs, or any run where I don't much care how fast I'm going. It doesn't slow me down as much as the guy posting above, but it does seem like it slows me down a little. Which is a little weird, considering the shoe is so damn light for such a highly cushioned trainer.
"It doesn't slow me down as much as the guy posting above, but it does seem like it slows me down a little. Which is a little weird, considering the shoe is so damn light for such a highly cushioned trainer."
Damn, I thought it was just me. I've been raising my mileage (albeit slowly) and it's been pretty hot lately, but my easy and medium runs have felt really great in them (when the heats not killing me..) but if I get up around tempo or race pace it's seemed like I'm going just a bit slower than I should be. Didn't even really think it might be the shoe. Raced a 5K in them this last weekend and I was at least 30 seconds off of where I thought I'd be. Now I'm going to have to go home and grab a couple pair of old trainers and test this out. Interesting.
These shoes are premium cushioned trainers!
Why are people comparing them to light weight shoes.
If you want a similar feel, with a more responsive ride, grad a pair of Skylon/Haywards.
I tried on the Vomero 3 lately, alot more foam under the lateral side, maybe a tad heavier, but they're a pretty light shoe, definetly the most cushioned shoe I've ever worn.
They are the shit
The reason it slows you down, perceived or actual, is because it's so soft. If you're running on a pillow you're going to sink, not rebound.
Walk it out wrote:
The reason it slows you down, perceived or actual, is because it's so soft. If you're running on a pillow you're going to sink, not rebound.
If I said anything inconsistent with this, I must've worded my post badly. I completely agree. Yeah, the shoe is ultra-cushion-y, and it's natural that you would run faster in a more responsive shoe. What I love about the Vomero 2 is that I'm less sore the day after running in them than I would be if I ran in something more responsive. To me, it doesn't really matter because you're not gonna race in a trainer anyway. As long as your racing flat is light and responsive, who cares if you're a few seconds slower per mile when training?
And I also love the fit.
Did Nike discontinue the Kantara? If so, is the Vomero its replacement?
really? wrote:
zero gravity wrote:Not sure about the $120 price, but the outsole is very durable and so are the soft cushioning characteristics.
My biggest beef with the shoe is that it seems to slow my tempo, quite a bit. When I run in NB 825's or Asics Speedstar II's, with the same percieved effort on a 10 mile run, I'm 1-1:30 faster per mile than when wearing the Vomero II's.
1-1:30 PER mile? That is just stupid. For the entire 10 miles I could see, but there is NO way that the shoes slow you down that much for each mile with everything else being equal.
10 mile tempo run with Vomero, 8-8:30 pace. With other mentioned shoes 7:00 pace. Same route, same heart rate, different time. Shouldn't be that difficult to get your head around.
zero gravity wrote:
Not sure about the $120 price, but the outsole is very durable and so are the soft cushioning characteristics.
My biggest beef with the shoe is that it seems to slow my tempo, quite a bit. When I run in NB 825's or Asics Speedstar II's, with the same percieved effort on a 10 mile run, I'm 1-1:30 faster per mile than when wearing the Vomero II's.
1-1:30 per mile is ridiculous. It's not like the shoes weight 20 lbs. That just doesn't make sense.
it's cause they are doo doo.
i like the supernova cushion.
running on pillows hurt my IT bands/hips as if i were running on ice or snow.
the equalon replaced the kantara.
1 minute per mile slower is incredibly hard to imagine. that sounds more like a change in speed from a workout to an easy run. to change that much because of maybe 2 ounces and a softer ride???? something is fishy there.
sjc wrote:
the equalon replaced the kantara.
1 minute per mile slower is incredibly hard to imagine. that sounds more like a change in speed from a workout to an easy run. to change that much because of maybe 2 ounces and a softer ride???? something is fishy there.
No, obviously you aren't smart enough to figure that each ounce you save in a shoe is worth 45 seconds. Don't you know that is why Geb and Tergat are so fast?
The Vomero 3 will be even better. Just saw them a couple of weeks ago. Look for these next spring.
sjc wrote:
the equalon replaced the kantara.
1 minute per mile slower is incredibly hard to imagine. that sounds more like a change in speed from a workout to an easy run. to change that much because of maybe 2 ounces and a softer ride???? something is fishy there.
I think it has more to do with the Vomero's profile than the weight. I always prefer a soft squishy ride so that probably isn't the issue.
What I do like about the Vomero, aside from the soft feel, is that after running in them a few days switching shoes and running fast (for me anyway) tempo workouts seems easy.
I do all my off day runs in Vomeros, all my pace work in skylons(haywards), and my speed/race stuff in the Ventulus.
The Vomeros are great for long/easy stuff but can't handle pace work.
1min/mile is an outlandish statement... Rational is as follows:
The rule (in general), for the comparison of trainers by their weight, is 1 second per ounce per kilometer.
So, for the rubberheads out there let's work through this together, shall we.
Let's assume your lightweight trainers are 4oz lighter than your Vomeros
over 5k you're looking at
4oz x 5km = 20 sec.
now, to make this easy, let's pretend it was 21secods instead of 20.
No 5k is roughly 3mi so...
21sec/3mi = 7sec/mi ...
The Vomeros should slow you down by around 7 seconds per mile when compared to a lighter weight trainer (in this case a shoe 4oz lighter, in comparison)
Got it?
Good.
Ekin wrote:
The Vomeros should slow you down by around 7 seconds per mile when compared to a lighter weight trainer (in this case a shoe 4oz lighter, in comparison)
Got it?
Good.
Sounds about right. The Vomero, though, is only 11 ounces and change, so somebody's gonna have to have an extremely light lightweight trainer to get all of that benefit. The Vomero is only about an ounce heavier than the Hayward/Skylon, for example.