Florida to play the winner of USC/Notre Dame ...

Your'e reading the polls, and not watching the game, the players, execution, etc. Florida didn't win anything last year but the BCS bowl title. Only a NY media event, definitely not an NC. Boise State was the #1 team, followed by USC. Ohio State and Florida would have gone 6-6 in the PAC-10 last year. I can't see how anyone just reads bogus sports polls and don't know football. If you played then you would know. The PAC-10 is in the same position in football as it is in cross country, track and field, basketball, etc. It's the same story for most NCAA sports, consistently winning more than 3/4 of the NCAA NCs each year. Watch the tapes.

SEC fanatic wrote:

Your'e reading the polls, and not watching the game, the players, execution, etc. Florida didn't win anything last year but the BCS bowl title. Only a NY media event, definitely not an NC. Boise State was the #1 team, followed by USC. Ohio State and Florida would have gone 6-6 in the PAC-10 last year. I can't see how anyone just reads bogus sports polls and don't know football. If you played then you would know. The PAC-10 is in the same position in football as it is in cross country, track and field, basketball, etc. It's the same story for most NCAA sports, consistently winning more than 3/4 of the NCAA NCs each year. Watch the tapes.

Ohio St. and Florida would not have gone 6-6 in the P10 last year... I think you vastly overstating how good the P10 is. I don't care about the polls. I watched every Florida and USC game at the end of last year. Florida was playing better opponenets. USC lost to UCLA... UCLA didn't lose six games because the P10 was that good... they lost that games because they weren't that good. That is why they lost to overranked Notre Dame and then gave up 44 point to Florida St. in thier bowl game.

Boise St. #1? Not last year. They beat an okay Oklahoma team. I think maybe you didn't really watch Florida... they didn't break a sweat in the title game. USC would have been the only P10 team to give them a good game last year. In the P10 Florida would have went either 12-0 or 11-1. Not a single other P10 team besides USC was at their level. And this year... no P10 team is at LSUs level. This opinion has nothing to do with the polls... which I think are terrible this year... especially the overranking of Big East teams. But if the P10 gets a game with an SEC team in the BCS then you will see. Maybe the BCS is a joke... but everyone bragging up the Buckeyes last year didn't laugh much when it was over.

You're not watching the game. Most people don't. They're like you and repeat statements made by sportswriters and pollster. You can feel comfortable, your type is in the majority.

SEC fanatic wrote:

You\'re not watching the game. Most people don\'t. They\'re like you and repeat statements made by sportswriters and pollster. You can feel comfortable, your type is in the majority.

I don\'t read sports columns... Didn\'t I already explain that I DID watch the games last year... Maybe step out of your set mind on this situation and read what i said. I don\'t care about the polls. I watched a lot of games last year... and saw nothing that suggested that the P10 blew away the other conferences. in fact, with the exception of USC and Cal, the P10 was rather unimpressive last year. The reason USC blows games like Oregon St. and Stanford is because they overlook certain opponents... it has nothing to do with the strength of the P10.

Cal and Oregon don\'t play defense like Florida and LSU do. That is why Cal beat Tennessee by 14 while Florida beat them by 39 points this year. You are taking this P10 is awesome idea and blowing it way out of proportion. Last year\'s Florida team go 6-6 in the P10... just a crazy statement. I think you should reexamine the matter... and stop telling me I\'m only listening to the pollsters... because I don\'t know or care what the pollsters are saying. The fact that the AP has three Big East teams in the top 15 signals to me they are idiots.

All you've proven is that you're illiterate. The only things you know is what you "think" you see on TV. Typical SEC graduate. I predicate a future as a BCS "SEC Trollie" for you. Remember to vote SEC 1-10 on all of your votes. It could be tough deciding which SEC team will be #1 through #10. To make life simpler work to get the BCS to include on 10 teams -- 10 SEC teams. That way you won't have to hurt yourself when you realize the world is a much bigger place than the meaningless SEC zone. P.S. Why are you watching games this year? Did the rabbit ears on your TV die? Sacrifice a metal clothes hanger from your trailer if they did. Get a clue.

oh yeah wrote:

I don't read sports columns... Didn't I already explain that I DID watch the games last year...

SEC fanatic wrote:

the NCAA NC would be Cal, Oregon, USC.

No, because three teams can't play for the NC, and because USC would lose to Stanford first....bwahahahahhaahah

The Pac-10 is such a good conference, oh man so good that they went 3-3 in the bowl games last year while the SEC went 6-3, wow, Pac-10 is so good.....NOTTTTT

If you never played college then I don't expect much, you do realize that you are pretty typical. I sure wish the colleges stopped hiding behind the New York Athletic Club and approved a playoffs in the NCAA. The Big10/Big12/SEC and ND are still balking at the idea. TV promises billions for them for a January/February brackets, but east/south schools are so afraid at leveling playing field, that they are passing up alot of scholarships and money for other things. Football pays for lots of things on campus, but only if you have the guts to take the money.

Think about this idea. Let's cancel the NCAA D-I XC Championships at Indiana State next month, and have the coaches decide who the NC is ! Then the eastern and southern schools would win more XC titles. No more NAU, Oregon, Stanford, Colorado getting titles, the east/south coaches would nullify them.

Well, in CF that's the bull you get from the NY Athletic Club's BCS that we have now. It's ridiculous.

ignorance is bliss wrote:

USC is the most overrated team in the country thus far; ever more so than Michigan.

You made sense until you said this. No one is more overrated than a #5 team losing to App. State.

michigan is in the big10, an overrated team in a joke conference. usc is in the pac10, 1 loss is expected in the pac10, with 1/2 of the ncaa\'s tops teams.

1) I do think there should be a playoff. I don't like the BCS. And I'd love to see the P10 and SEC duke it out. I say the SEC takes the P10 down. If you disagree that's fine. But don't pretend that you magically know exactly what would happen. I saw Florida whip OSU. Then I saw USC beat a Michigan team that wasn't as good as OSU... but not as convincingly as Florida beat OSU. And now you are telling me Florida would go 6-6 in the P10? Please. UCLA went 7-5 and they can't even beat Notre Dame... The same team that got whipped by Michigan last year and almost half of the B10 this year... in blowouts. So tell me another one.

2) Please don't resort to the outrageous... "well he never played college football" argument. Complete garbage. Yeah, I was undersized and generally unathletic as a youngster... So I stopped playing football after middle school and switched to distance running. Anyone who knows me knows that wasn't a mistake. But that is beside the point. Most of us here are runners... not college football players. So what?

The entire "you don't play college ball" rhetoric is bullsh*t. I do know people who play college football from my HS... they are always going to tell you that there team is going to win... unless they are truly honest... but most football players I know always feel they can win... and they should. but just because you play football doesn't mean you can automatically pick the winners of games better then someone who doesn't play football. I had a football player tell me Ohio St. would destroy Michigan last year... I said the game would be close. he told me I don't know what I'm taking about because I don't play football. I should have put money on the game since I predicted aN OSU victory by under seven points. For someone who knows nothing I guess I just lucked out. The fact is, whether or not you play football has little bearing on your affect to predict outcomes of games and seasons... nobody really knows what will happen. I'm basing my statements based on what I've seen this season and in the past. If I'm wrong... we will find out later in the year.

I come from B10 country originally and honestly pay more attention to B10 football then the SEC... So to the person calling me a SEC troll... you have just made a stupid comment about me without knowledge of who I am... The SEC is in a down year this year... and they are still way deeper then the P10 could even dream of being. I mean if USC can barely get by Washington while Ohio St. beats them by around twenty... that doesn't make USC or Washington look that strong. I mean this is the same school, from the weak B10, that looked like a HS team against Florida last January... and here they are whipping a team that almost beats the overhyped Trojans. And then we have UCLA again... why don't you ask Utah how good they are. How did Arizona play out of conference? I can't remember, what was the scorew to the oregon St.-Cincinnati game? Or let's ask Wisconsin if Wash St. is any good. The P10 has no depth. Four good teams and then mediocrity... If that is the best conference in football then college football has truly gone down hill.

SECisAjoke wrote:

All you've proven is that you're illiterate. The only things you know is what you "think" you see on TV. Typical SEC graduate.

I predicate a future as a BCS "SEC Trollie" for you. Remember to vote SEC 1-10 on all of your votes. It could be tough deciding which SEC team will be #1 through #10. To make life simpler work to get the BCS to include on 10 teams -- 10 SEC teams. That way you won't have to hurt yourself when you realize the world is a much bigger place than the meaningless SEC zone.

P.S. Why are you watching games this year? Did the rabbit ears on your TV die? Sacrifice a metal clothes hanger from your trailer if they did. Get a clue.

Hilarious stuff. I'm not an SEC grad. I grew up and went to undergrad in the Midwest... we get national coverage there as well... just so you know. Now I go to school out west... which for the geographically challenged is also outside of the "SECzone." I've never lived in the Southeast. This is why you don't make unfounded comments about another poster... because you will most likely be wrong. "The only things you know are what you "think" you see on TV..." Maybe they are using on-screen illusions and I'm not seeing the real games then? You are basing your argument off of opinion as well... HINT: We all are... so telling me I'm using my opinion doesn't help your argument... think about it if this isn't clear.

"To make life simpler work to get the BCS to include on 10 teams -- 10 SEC teams."

Yeah right. The SEC had two BCS teams (the maximum you are allowed) and won both games 41-14. Florida and LSU shouldn't be blamed for the inept people behind the BCS bowls providing them crappy opponents. The SEC won 6 out of nine bowl games last year... so clearly they can win outside of their allegedly weak conference as well.

Surprise! wrote:

You made sense until you said this. No one is more overrated than a #5 team losing to App. State.

Except that USC was a 40 point favorite and Michigan was only a 30 point favorite. AND that Michigan was the #5 team and USC was the #2 team. There is dispute across all of the talking heads of college football, at the least you have to acknowledge that both upsets are very close to each other.

Fool. It doesn't matter where you're from. You're a typical SCE graduate. You obviously don't realize you don't have to graduate from the SCE to be exactly like one of them.

oh yeah wrote:

Hilarious stuff. I'm not an SEC grad...

SECisAjoke wrote:

Fool. It doesn't matter where you're from. You're a typical SCE graduate. You obviously don't realize you don't have to graduate from the SCE to be exactly like one of them.

Ahahahahahahaha. You are a riot. You used the words typical SEC grad... maybe you should have said you are like one the first time. In any event... whatever. I'm not an SEC fan that feels they should get what they want if they demand it. It doesn't matter... the SEC has held its own based on their performance on the field. No crazy SEC conspiracy resulted in Florida kicking the crap out of the Buckeyes... it's just because the Gators were a lot better. The reason USC wasn't there was because they blew two games... Florida's one loss to Auburn last year was not as bad as USC losing to Oregon St. and UCLA. And as a Michigan fan I can tell you losing at the end of year makes a much bigger impact on your rankings. Don't blame the pollsters for USC not making the national title game... blame USC. Florida won when winning is most important... late in November in rival and championship games.

If you have to come up with contrived labels to stay in the debate that is fine by me. It isn't going to make the P10 better then the SEC. If we were discussing basketball then I might agree with you. But I think you are just wrong when it comes to football.

You guys base too much of your evaluations on the polls. Remember the polls don't matter at all. Most of the voters never played college football. They vote for their alma maters. Evaluate the game, the plays, the team, the footage. That's how you can determine the best teams. Laugh at the polls, that's what I do. It's entertainment designed to get you to their websites. Have fun now.

Be fair now. Without the BCS, Florida would have never made any top 10 scheme. The BCS SOS guarantees the TV ratings leaders make the games. The BCS is about TV, not about sports. You can rave about Florida and Ohio State all you want, but admit that they were created on Broadway by fat media moguls who watched the games from their estates in Connecticut that weekend. For the fans, last year it was #1 Boise State, #2 USC.

Gainesville wrote:

Be fair now. Without the BCS, Florida would have never made any top 10 scheme. The BCS SOS guarantees the TV ratings leaders make the games. The BCS is about TV, not about sports. You can rave about Florida and Ohio State all you want, but admit that they were created on Broadway by fat media moguls who watched the games from their estates in Connecticut that weekend. For the fans, last year it was #1 Boise State, #2 USC.

you are basing this off of what? who were the top ten then. Florida beat Tennesse, LSU, Georiga, Florida St., Arkansas and Ohio St. Any team that did that would easily make the top 10. USC blew their oppurtunity. Boise State... this is why their SHOULD be a playoff. But if Boise St. can only beat the Sooners by 1 point... they wouldn't have stood a chance against Florida or USC. I know their is sentiment behind the underdog... but I simply disagree they were one of the top two teams. USCs only impressive victories were their domination of Arkansas and beating Cal (though less impressively then how Tennessee did it)... Nebraska and Michigan were overrated. USCs win over Notre also unimpressive... Michigan and LSU did the exact same thing to Notre Dame.

So please... what ten teams were better then Florida?

Ok, let's just break it down, SEC vs Pac 10.

LSU vs USC (personal opinion that USC is still top Pac 10 team)---> toss up...high powered offense and decent defense of SC vs pretty good offense and great defense of LSU

Florida vs Cal---> Florida uses its speed on both sides of the ball to pull out the win over a good Cal team

SC vs Oregon---> I think that Oregon wins in a shootout

Kentucky vs ASU---> Kentucky over an undefeated, but untested ASU team. We'll see how ASU looks after Cal, Oregon and USC in a 4 week span

Georgia/Tenn/Bama vs UCLA--->only team here that I can see UCLA possibly beating is Bama

So for the (arguably) top 5 of each conference the score is

SEC 3-1-1

Pac 10 1-3-1

Also, an interesting little note: Out of 12 SEC teams, only 4 losses have been to out of conference teams (Cal, an underrated South Florida team...ok overrated by the polls, but underrated overall, a decent Florida St team, and a good Mizz team). Out of 10 Pac 10 teams, there have been 7 losses to out of conference opponents (an overrated Wisconsin, ND, Utah, BYU, New Mexico, Ohio St, and Cincinnati).

Now, you can argue my logic about how the games above games would really go, but that's my take on it. Head to head Pac 10 is 1-0, but as far as strength of the conference top to bottom, I think you have to give the edge to the SEC. For the record, I'm born and raised in Wisconsin and am a Badger fan.

Please proceed to tear my post apart :)