What happened at Griak? I know they took a hit from last year they must have the talent and resources to do better than this! How can there be a gap from the #2 to #3 man that large at a school that was this good over the past 3 years. And a 28+ minute runner in the top 7 is pretty sad! WTF!!!!
It's called recruiting, or lack thereof. Obviously the 2nd Chesang didn't pan out and KU hasn't landed any Footlocker type guys as of late. The 28min+ guy is actually a 9:05(+-) steeplechaser who had a poor race. They have solid younger guys, but they don't have any underclassmen who are big-hitters.
the chesang guy definitely did not pan out the way they had expected. I have talked to the coach and they have learned their lesson about just taking kenyans by word of mouth and from emails. They are going to spend more time researching and recruiting already proven (by juco, transfer, etc) kenyans etc
Kansas does not put the effort in recruiting in-state talent. It all seems to go to Wichita State, K-State, or Arkansas (ahem, Boyer, the best talent to come out of the state in about a decade).
even in the late 60s and 70s, KU always seemed to ignore alot of the local talent who might not have the High School All American times that the guys they would get out of California, etc, would have; (back when they still had their pick of top guys, living off of the Ryun-Timmons legacy). Many times, the local guys would run better-at other local schools- than the blue chippers KU recruited from out of the area.
Does anyone know what sort of times it takes to be on Kansas' cross team? None of the guys on their roster seem to have HS times listed.
It doesn't take much. I know kids that have walked on that never broke 9:40 in high school and ended up on the varsity by their sophomore year. If your a 4:30/9:50 type and willing to work you could help. They had a bad year recruiting and don't even get me started on the women's team.
not sure I understand what is wrong with the women's team. I know they aren't doing real well but is it recruiting, resources, etc???
Jayhawk wrote:
It doesn't take much. I know kids that have walked on that never broke 9:40 in high school and ended up on the varsity by their sophomore year. If your a 4:30/9:50 type and willing to work you could help. They had a bad year recruiting and don't even get me started on the women's team.
Not lately. I know guys with those credentials that wanted to go to KU badly & were basically told they weren't interested in them.
Also, Boyer is running very well so far at Arkansas, but Heff has built a pretty solid resume up there in Lawrence. It's going to take something pretty stellar from Boyer to top him as "best in-state recruit of the lsat decade".
Wyco Loco wrote:
Also, Boyer is running very well so far at Arkansas, but Heff has built a pretty solid resume up there in Lawrence. It's going to take something pretty stellar from Boyer to top him as "best in-state recruit of the lsat decade".
I know KU was very interested in Boyer, but he supposedly told them he was too good for them. The best two recent Kansas high school guys both went to KU: Hefferon and Imgrund.
Have to remember another thing; KU is a relatively expensive public school in the midwest and it is very difficult to get academic aid there. Compare that to Arkansas, which is dirt cheap to begin with, or even Oregon that offers a substantial amount of academic aid based on high school GPA.
mary janer wrote:
Kansas does not put the effort in recruiting in-state talent.
Kansas isnt exactly recruiting hot bed...besides a few top guys the rest of the state is usually pretty weak.
i don't care right now. they've got colby wissell and i hope he goes to town this year. after this season, i would expect some serious recruiting.
KU is not recruiting well on the women's side at all. They seem to want footlocker types. No one is going to go to that program with good credentials. They need to find some women in the 5:10-5:20 1600 range and develop them. They seem to be waiting for stars to fall in their lap.
I gotta disagree about the cost of KU. For an out of state kid, Oregon, Arkansas and KU would all be roughly the same price. In fact, I would say Oregon is the most expensive of the three.
A Big XII school developing people?
That's a good one!!!
You funny
gold counter wrote:
I gotta disagree about the cost of KU. For an out of state kid, Oregon, Arkansas and KU would all be roughly the same price. In fact, I would say Oregon is the most expensive of the three.
Yes, Oregon is the most expensive. However, like I said, it is much, much easier to get academic scholarships from schools like Oregon and Arkansas. It is very difficult for students to get academic scholarships at KU. So for most athletes at KU, it is an athletic scholarship or nothing. And KU doesn't pour a lot of money into their distance squad.
What is their team's policy towards transfers?
Imgrund wasnt that big of recruit, but I think KU really thought he was. I think most women KU recruits are just scared of their creepy coach.
Yeah DC is a little weird, but I wouldn't call him a creep. Then again, I'm not a 17 year old girl. The Chesang deal really screwed them over...They could've gotten at least one or two quality high school guys with the full ride that I'm sure they gave him, which would've made their team better this year. But hey, it's their fault and I'm sure they're kicking themselves for it
KU wrote:
What is their team's policy towards transfers?
They had two guys (one was an 800m runner and the other a 5k/10k guy) transfer in from Tulsa, so I assume they are pretty open to transfers.
actually they need to go the goreign route and get girls from the uk and europe that want to get their masters. They also need to jump the kenyan train for a while, start to get some good results then consider hitting the american scene for awhile.
you're exactly right though, no girl with credientials would go there, unless she is a diehard KU fan from the day of birth.