Without Limits

Just a thought dude, he wasnt doing the power ranger chick (mary) he was doing some random girl that he saw bouncing on the trampoline, also im pretty sure that the voiceover at the start of the movie only relates to the opening scene which shows pre being chased and made fun of for being german as the start to his running career. Good try though.

Byahh wrote:

Just a thought dude, he wasnt doing the power ranger chick (mary) he was doing some random girl that he saw bouncing on the trampoline,

Girl on trampoline = "Iowa's finest" in the credits = Power Ranger girl.

Mary, his girlfriend in the movie = Monica Potter

Um we wrote the same thing about where Pre was driving from immediately before the crash.

shadow puppet wrote:

you don't think Pre was an interesting person?

No, I don't. Our sport has been filled with interesting people -- intelligent, thoughtful, sensitive souls -- and Pre has always seemed quite the opposite to me.

ok dude, whateveranyone that charasimatic and who had a following as he did and even came from his background is interesting...intelligent, thoughtful, sensitive souls?? are we describing chicks here - and did you know pre? it was my understanding that he frequently responded to fan's letters and worked with kids and intelligently fought against the AAU, I admire that standing up for what is right even if it isn't popularso while he may have been slightly outspoken he did seem intelligent and thoughtful

Avocados Number wrote:

shadow puppet wrote:

you don't think Pre was an interesting person?

No, I don't. Our sport has been filled with interesting people -- intelligent, thoughtful, sensitive souls -- and Pre has always seemed quite the opposite to me.

wrong....wise up.... wrote:

he was leaving the party at Jeff Holister's house, (a Nike exec) and he was dropping off Shorter at Moore's house. He dropped Shorter off; sped off down the hill, around the turn and into the headlines, he next morning.

Read the first post wrote:

Hollister (not an exec) didn't live in Hendricks Park.

Timeline went -

Party at Hollister's house - actually his parent's house if memory serves.

Pre then drove Shorter to the house up near Hendricks, dropped him off, headed down the hill and hit the wall.

Hollister, while not technically an "exec" is clearly one of the founding fathers of Nike and is still involved a bit.

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shadow puppet wrote:

you don't think Pre was an interesting person?

No, I don't. Our sport has been filled with interesting people -- intelligent, thoughtful, sensitive souls -- and Pre has always seemed quite the opposite to me.[/quote][/quote]

hmmn....your opinion or the millons of others who DID find him to be an interesting, charismatic person and running great. I think I'll go with the latter; but you are welcome to your opinion.

Avocados Number wrote:

shadow puppet wrote:

you don't think Pre was an interesting person?

No, I don't. Our sport has been filled with interesting people -- intelligent, thoughtful, sensitive souls -- and Pre has always seemed quite the opposite to me.

you are a huge homo

Wannabe Shoe Guy wrote:

So I made the mistake of tuning into "Without Limits" on WGN last night and was rudely reminded of what a piece of crap that movie is. That whole business of Pre injuring his foot while dropping the hammmer on a nimble gymnast was simply ridiculous.

Memo to screenwriters: If a person's life isn't interesting enough for film based on its own merits, stay away from the biographical genre.

Considering Time Magazine had it rated as the 8th best movie of the year in 1998 behind Saving Private Ryan, Shakespeare in Love, and the Thin Red Line, not to mention that Donald Sutherland was up for an oscar in the best supporting actor category for his role as bowerman, i'd say your opinion on movies is pretty terrible.

Sutherland was not nominated for an Oscar. There was much talk that he should be and would be, but he wasn't.

Camoo wrote:

Sutherland was not nominated for an Oscar. There was much talk that he should be and would be, but he wasn't.

Thats right... he was the National Society of Film Critics

winner or nominee for best supporting actor, my bad... still, he was awesome at the role.

Lots of back-and-forth on how Pre cut his foot and where the party was the night he died - but no response to my inquiry about Dellinger, Bowerman and Pre. Isn't that more important - to runners? Any non-track fan who saw the movie would have no idea who anyone named Dellinger was. Why did Kenny Moore, Towne, et al essentially write him out of the story of Pre's career?

anEconomist wrote:

anyone that charasimatic and who had a following as he did and even came from his background is interesting...

You seem easily impressed by Pre's charisma, popularity, and (despite his efforts to suggest otherwise) rather middle-class American background. I think that Kenny Moore, Pre's scribe, is a far more interesting person than Pre ever was.

To me, it's unfortunate that, in a sport that includes people like Emil Zatopek, Juma Ikanga, Haile G., and Paul Terget, someone like Pre ends up as the poster boy.

Avocados Number wrote:

To me, it's unfortunate that, in a sport that includes people like Emil Zatopek, Juma Ikanga, Haile G., and Paul Terget, someone like Pre ends up as the poster boy.

Pre was American, the others not. Pretty simple. People tend to look up to people that are similar to them and nationalities are one way people see similarities. Why do you think people in China like Yao Ming? In a sport with people like Kevin Garnett and Steve Nash why would the Chinese idolize Ming? Hmmm...

Mtn Dew wrote:

Pre was American, the others not. Pretty simple.

It may be pretty simple, but it's not quite as simple as mere nationalism. Other American distance runners, such as Ryun and Shorter, were more accomplished and highly esteemed in the sport.

Avocados Number wrote:

anEconomist wrote:

anyone that charasimatic and who had a following as he did and even came from his background is interesting...

You seem easily impressed by Pre's charisma, popularity, and (despite his efforts to suggest otherwise) rather middle-class American background. I think that Kenny Moore, Pre's scribe, is a far more interesting person than Pre ever was.

To me, it's unfortunate that, in a sport that includes people like Emil Zatopek, Juma Ikanga, Haile G., and Paul Terget, someone like Pre ends up as the poster boy.

i find it fascinating that moore and shorter found pre interesting. with the amount of attention pre gets, good and bad, people who actually knew him feel he isn't the person the general running public thinks he was. i have been lucky enough to know some of the friends of pre, they have nothing but good things to say about how he treated other people, how kind he was, especially how real he was. his image wasn't something like the runners in the 80's carefully worked on to be popular and marketable. some of those people are fake, the masses just saw their image. pre was real, he was flawed but not he horrible person his detractors claim.