Cal Track & CC Jobs - Jerry Schumacher?

Why all the emotion over Cal XC & TF. We're Cal. Just be happy you are at Cal. That's all there is. Enjoy your school whereever you are. But don't you wish you were at Cal. I'd like to see Joy Upshaw Margarum return, that'd be nice. They can bring more volunteer coaches or have alumni pay whomever. It doesn't matter which way or not. I think people should understand that Cal is Cal and what else is there. I mean really. For you non Cal people, Allison Stokke has arrived on campus, Brooke Turner has the most fantastic legs and ass.

I would tend to agree with you that Cal is a university whereby academic success and athletic success are not mutually exclusive.

However, you don't seem to understand the intricacies of the non-revenue sports at Cal. First off, Rugby is a non-NCAA club sport that has incredible financial resources and tradition from its alums. They also command a lot of power from 19 national titles, and 12 consecutive titles from 1991-2002. That makes recruiting a breeze!

The same can be said of the aquatics alums such as Ned Spieker and the entire Lamorinda gang that have donated so generously to the swimming and water-polo programs. Crew, although an intercollegiate sport is a non-NCAA sport and fully-funded and independent of any athletic department finances via an endowment that was set-up by Krok back in the 1970's. When powerful alums from these sports put a phone call into Vice Chancellor Brostrom or the AD's office, people listen.

Track and Field and the XC program does not have these kinds of resources nor that kind of "clout". The same can be said of women's lacrosse or gymnastics or the now-defunct wrestling team under AD Dave Maggard.

On another note you must understand that former Head Coach Chris Huffins is the one that determined how the budget was spent for the program, what scholarship dollars went to each event, etc. He has always had a philosophy of running a balanced program. The XC program was never high on his list and as a result was rather thin over Huffins reign. If Ghebray and Chavez had to pull off the course at the 4 mile mark as he did last XC season at the NCAA Regionals with a bout of exercise induced asthma and a strained diaphragm (in the case of Chavez), the XC team was done. This was obviously disappointing to a team that placed 3rd the previous year. But Ghebray and Chavez's illness had nothing to do with Coach Sandoval. It would be highly unfair to claim otherwise.

One more point, as successful as Cal has been in fielding 27 D-1 sports, I believe that the athletic department ran a $13 million dollar deficit last year.

Is there a commitment by the Cal AD Sandy Barbour to improve upon the latest resurgence of track and field at Cal and the women's 8th place finish at NCAA's?

Stay tuned.

Slightly off topic for you PAC 10 folks, I have a question you could help me with....

How does UCLA's Peterson stack up vs other PAC 10 dist/mid-dist coaches such as Lananna, Sandoval, Walsh and Tegen in terms of results, stature amongst peers, EGO, and respect for his athletes and how he handles the recruiting part of the business. I have had some recent dealings with all of these coaches and wonder if the slightly bad one I've had with Peterson was unusual or really is him.

Sorry, forgot to say I haven't had any dealings with Lananna.

I have also heard of bad experiences with Peterson from friends who wanted to go to UCLA. I don't know personally, but the people who do think he's an ass.

Bring back Brad Duffy!

What you know about Duffy, Baby Bear?

"You aren't great, until you're great."

:-]

I have had athletes from the high school that I coach visit all of these Pac-10 schools and this is my impression. Peterson from UCLA has the worst ego of anyone by far. He takes it personally when he gets rejected by an athlete. His famous quote is "What? Why would you want to go there"? His whine is legandary. Lananna from Oregon is a little better but he gives it to the athlete when he gets rejected. After that, he is done with it and moves on. Walsh from USC will hear the athlete out, and then wish them luck in a cold and kurt way. Sandoval from Cal gets a little agitated when he hears bad news, and then he just ignores the kid. Tegen from stanford lets them know they made a mistake and then tells the athlete good luck. All of these coaches are competitive and dont like to hear bad news, but Peterson from UCLA is the worst. As far as results go, Oregon gets good results with big numbers, UCLA gets poor results, and the athletes that graduate do not say nice things about Peterson. USC is more of a middle distance school with good results. Their distances arent anything to write home about. And they dont give partial scholarships. Cal is a mixed bag with some of the athletes doing well and others flopping. And Tegen does well with good talent but has problems developing athletes. All in all its a mixed bag in the pac-10. Some schools are known for good middle distances. And others are excellent in cross country and the distances. You pick your poison.

Your'e an ass. You'll always coach only HS cuz you don't know shit. UCLA and USC has more olympians, wc participants, olympic & wc medals, than all of the other NCAA schools combined. USC is the only college in the world to be the main host for the olympic games once, and the only college to in the world that was the main host for the olympic games twice. I can go on and on.

I thought it was a great post. Little defensive, are you?

Track769 wrote:

All of these coaches are competitive and dont like to hear bad news, but Peterson from UCLA is the worst. As far as results go, Oregon gets good results with big numbers, UCLA gets poor results, and the athletes that graduate do not say nice things about Peterson. USC is more of a middle distance school with good results. Their distances arent anything to write home about. And they dont give partial scholarships.

Ironically, big bad USC doesn't even field a men's cross country team. And yet I never hear anyone rag on Coach Alice for this.

Boy are you an ass wrote:

Your'e an ass. You'll always coach only HS cuz you don't know shit. UCLA and USC has more olympians, wc participants, olympic & wc medals, than all of the other NCAA schools combined. USC is the only college in the world to be the main host for the olympic games once, and the only college to in the world that was the main host for the olympic games twice. I can go on and on.

I suppose you could, but you'd get even more off-topic than you already are. I don't know Peterson and don't really care, but he hasn't developed any of those Olympians, has he? And the attitude of USC's mid-distance coach has little to do with the fact that USC has the facilities to host the Olympics. Not only that, your prose is virtually unreadable.

I am not an ass. I am just giving you a report from what my athletes tell me about visiting these schools. I actually like the Pac-10. Some of my athletes have no business visiting UCLA or USC but they do. I have dealt with all of the Pac-10 coaches and I know their strengths and weaknesses. I would send my good distance kids to Lananna at Oregon or Quintana at ASU. And I would send my middle distance kids to Tegen at Stanford or Walsh at USC. And I would send my brainiacs to coach Sandoval at Cal. Thats just my preference and opinion. Dont get so worked up over it.

i think some of the posts you see here by "cal bashers" are legitimate. unless you have been in the program, then you really don't have much clout. i'm an alum, i am not bitter. i am pleased with how my running career turned out. but, i am not pleased with how the cal program has gone the past 10 years (or more). as a team, we (and i) underperformed when i was there. is that the individual athletes' faults? maybe. but the responsibility also has to fall on the coach. when your recruiting classes get continually better, but the team results don't do the same, then you have to question the coach.

has sandoval had success? yes, with individuals. but look at it this way, dan marino was a great quarterback on a not-so-great team. does don shula get the credit for marino being so good? nope. if the dolphins had shitloads of talent, but didn't perform, what would happen to shula? (please ignore the fact that shula is an HOFer and would never be fired, but you get the idea)

sandoval is the cross country and track team coach, not an individual coach. he is getting talented athletes, and some of them are performing. but the team is not. if wanting to see that change makes me disgruntled, especially as an alum, then so be it.

Hey, New T&F candidate on campus for interview today, Tuesday Aug. 21. Check it out.

Bear wrote:

Hey, New T&F candidate on campus for interview today, Tuesday Aug. 21. Check it out.

Courtesy interview I would imagine.

Olympic gold medalist from the 70's.

His second meeting with the AD.

Who the hell is it?!

Quit beating around the bush.

I don't mean this to be a "low blow" but just for fun... What are the odds this "courtesy" candidate makes it to the meeting on time?

Anyway, why have a "courtesy" interview, why waste time. Maybe they will pick his brain and come up with a coach. Hell they picked Erv's brain and came up with this 'courtesty" . Is Cal going to extend a bunch of courtesty interviews? Since the job was never posted,or advertised, this seems odd!

Given that you have already admitted that you are an alum that is pretty much out of the loop and only been to one college/open track meet in the last season, it's kind of difficult to lend much credibility to your claims/opinion. When asked what meets you have been to recently or whether or not you attended the NCAA's just a short trip up the road in Sacramento this past June, here was your response:

And you actually feel that you have knowledge of the current program?

Give me a break.