Malmo/Hodgie, ever thought of a college coaching...

Funny you should ask, my alma mater UMASS LOWELL MA. just hired a new coach. I applied for the position but was not asked to interview.

I read notice this past Saturday in the BOSTON GLOBE that Gary Gardner, a friend of mine who I have helped out with coaching advice in the past, has been given the position. I am sure he will do a fine job.

I have applied for many college positions without success.

Perhaps I will coach at the HS or University level one day or perhaps I will remain an "old guard running sage" or "malmo light."

I wish Gardner well, but I am of the mindset that Umass Lowell MA were not thorough in their "search", and, subsequently, missed out on a great opportunity.

I wish you well, Hodgie-san, on your coaching endeavers, irrespective of level or paid vs. unpaid.

I'd only want to do it Jumbo Elliot style - that is, for the love of it, not for the money.

Malmo thats that kind of attitude i want from a coach.

It surely discourages many when you cannot earn a living from coaching - especially for entry level assistant coaches. I could easily get past the internet message board stuff of " Coach malmo sucks. All of his runners are injured. Coach malmo only recruits the best. Coach malmo never develops 7:00 milers..." Can't get past paying the rent.

Hodgie,

Hey, if you\'re willing to move down to Chattanowhere, I\'ll hire you in a heartbeat as my assistant coach ! You\'d have to give up getting your picture in NE RUNNER and settle for making it into print in Irish Tom\'s articles.

Jumbo Elliott style . . . excellent. People seem to forget he didn't coach for the cash and ran an stunningly successful program.

My high school coach ran for Elliott on the legendary 1957 "Best collegiate team ever" and once got called into Jumbo's office whereby Mr. Elliott proceeded to try and rip my coach's beard off with his hands, yelling that would not tolerate his boys not clean shaven.

Malmo, Hodgie, others

Any of you coaching on an independent month to month basis, workouts across through internet ?

Malmo,

Ever read the book "Jumbo Elliott: Maker of milers, maker of men"? Excellent read.

Does there seem to be a trend among AD's lately that they simply don't interview folks who know what the hell they are doing? Hodgie San and Chris Fox are two very talented folks who not only have been passed up for jobs, but weren't even offered the opportunity to interview at certain schools. Clearly, the AD's are schmucks.

BTW, good luck to Fox in his new role down at Auburn. Should be fun to see what he does down there.

You guys on these message boards make me laugh. There is much more to coaching than just having the knowledge of how to recruit and make an athlete better. If you are not a head coach of a program you often have to train athletes in a way that pleases the people over you. That is the bad part of coaching that I rarely, if ever, see written about on here. Maybe Malmo and Hodgie do not want to compromise what they know and believe in just to be a collegiate coach.

Joe Black, on your recommedation, I'll read it.

Athletic Directors, you're right about them. The AD at Oregon, of all freakin places, didn't understand Dellingers reputation until he served as interim coach at Wake Forest.

It's like taking the AD job at 'Bama and not knowing who Bear Bryant was.

You're right about George Washington. As a impartial observer 'that woman' wasn't qualified to coach at any level.

How can I pass that up.

I think many AD's just look at many of the canidates resume's and determine if they have Div. 1 experience...if not they are often overlooked for someone who does...this policy has caused many coaches to lose out...or should I say many schools to lose out...

KC-Track,

Nice theory, but like creationism, doesn't hold water.

You are giving the AD's in these instances too much credit. They don't put any thought process into the matter whatsoever, let alone scour a resume for D1 experience.

In a dual with one of Jumbo?s teams in ?69, I remember standing at trackside watching the Nova Olympic silver medalist run the hurdles against our NCAA qualifier. I?d just gotten done watching the future American record holder in the 10000 run the mile, and warming up for the 400 with the Oly silver/gold medalist in the 400/4x400. At the end of the hurdles, I turned away from the track and discovered I had been standing beside the American indoor record holder in the mile.

Just another ordinary dual at Jumbo?s house.

So did Penn State win that dual or what?

Nope. 'Cats had too much depth, especially in the sprints. Was reasonably close, though.

Joe...unfortunately, like creationism, which I am not sure how that got into the discussion, but it holds very true...

I have been on several selection committees for D-1 schools and almost the first thing an AD or others on the committee looks at is if the coach has D-1 experience...

Two reasons I have been given...not saying they are right or wrong, but I have heard these the most...are 1) I don't want to be the school taking a chance on someone who has not done it before and 2) with all the NCAA rules how can we be sure that he will follow the rules...if they have experience then there is a guide to compare them to...if not you are the school taking the gamble...

Again I will say it is my guess that many schools miss out on great canidates because of narrow mindedness...

As for high school coaching, at least in the great state of Texas, one must be a certified teacher. If Jumbo Elliot, Jack Daniels, and the black dude who recruited Jan-Michael Vincent in The World's Greatest Athlete all showed up to coach track, they couldn't do it unless they were certified to teach health or history or whatever. Secondly, all coaching hires revolve, in one way or another, the football staff, at least in most Texas high schools.