Syracuse not in the field of 65?

mf wrote:

That is simply the exception that proves the rule.

You do, of course, realize that the phrase you just used doesn't work that way right? How can an exception to a rule prove that the rule is true? That makes absolutely no sense. In this case, prove is meant as in a test, like in "the proof is in the pudding".

And yes, Syracuse did get boned in this case. After their recent string of wins and the good games they played, the definitely deserved a spot in the 65. Admittedly, they played some really lousy games too, bt did you watch them against Gtomn? They're freaking good(!), when they're all trying, they just didn't put it together often enough. Sure, in the end it was their fault that they ended up 10-6 in conference, but it doesn't mean they didn't earn a spot. I'll bet if it was possible to arrange, that Syracuse could beat 75% of the teams that get eliminated in the first round.

Let me start by saying I have no problems with the Mid Majors getting in I feel that participation from all the conferences no matter how little we know about them actually adds to the enjoyment of the tournament. I do have problems with schools from major conferences getting in that just cannot get the job done. If someone can justify Drexel and SU not getting in before any of the following teams I would love to hear that argument.

Purdue- gets blown out by Ga Tech by 18, loses to Butler, gets blown out again by INDIANA STATE by 18, loses to Minnesota, loses by 27! to Indiana, loses to Wisconsin (but hey lets bump that RPI up with a great loss), follow that up with a 16 point drubbing at the hands of Michigan, get blown out by 18 to OSU, and lose again to Ohio St a couple games later (hello RPI obsessed selection commitee), get dismantled by Iowa by 19, and lose to Ohio State one more time just to drive the point home...and voila one tounament bid for Purdue...you take out the three LOSSES to OSU and this team would not have made the tournament

Stanfurd- loses to Air Force by 34 thats right 34!, gets rocked by power house Santa Clara by 16, loses to Arizona by 14 geeze I guess thats a little better, takes a loss home against Cal, loses to Oregon, loses at home to Gonzaga, loses by 13 to Wash St., then 12 to washington, then loses to USC, followed immediately by a loss to UCLA, then to finish off the year losses to Arizona and USC, yeah an 18-12 team finishing up the season 3-6 heading into the tournament who could be more deserving than that?

Arkansas- 7-9 in the weak SEC I'm not even going to say anything here

The RPI is so old and out dated that they have to get rid of it as far as using it as a tool to measure how good teams are...for example all of the blowouts listed above might as well have been 1 point over-time losses they count the same, then you have a team like SU that loses so many close games I think their average margin of defeat was 6 the entire year and their RPI gets wrecked even if they lose by a point in a competitve back and forth game

granted most of this was just venting from an awful selection by the commitee but some of this has to make sense to some of you out there

Great then they can sit at home and count all the money they made during the tournament.

Tim Goldsack wrote:

You realize NC ST was the 5th best team in the ACC when they won their title

Yes, but they won their conference tournament that year, and that's the only reason they got into the tournament.

Syracuse deserves to be out looking in.

Flagpole Willy wrote:

Yes, but they won their conference tournament that year, and that's the only reason they got into the tournament.

Syracuse deserves to be out looking in.

Very important fact.

VERY IMPORTANT FACT.

Yep. Kind of why I provided it.

Balls and Chain wrote:

Flagpole Willy wrote:

Yes, but they won their conference tournament that year, and that's the only reason they got into the tournament.

Syracuse deserves to be out looking in.

Very important fact.

VERY IMPORTANT FACT.

I have seen Syracuse play, no less than 8 times this year.

They are nothing special, and if you are arguing for then as barely a top 30's at large? Then that should tell you all you need to know.

Drexel beat them, did not get in.More bad losses than good wins, will not get you in.

I think that you can make arguments for any decent team that didn't get in the tournament.

Cuse is nothing special.

If they deserved to be there, they would have made it work in the Big East Tourney.

So does SU have to win their conference tourney every year to get in?...I guess that makes sense seeing how they've won it the past two years to get in before.

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The arithmetic of the matter does seem to support Boeheim. Nineteen of the 65 clubs in the pool have more losses than SU's 10, and 17 of those 65 outfits have fewer wins than the Orange's 22. Meanwhile, there are a lot of them that aren't 5-5 against the tournament field . . . and aren't 7-3 in their last 10 games . . . and haven't knocked off a No. 2 seed (Georgetown) by two touchdowns in the last 14 days.

"Yes, but they (NC State) won their conference tournament that year, and that's the only reason they got into the tournament.

Syracuse deserves to be out looking in."

In 1997, Arizona finished in fifth place in the Pac-10, received an at-large bid and won the national championship.

They beat Kansas, North Carolina and Kentucky, all of which I believe were #1 seeds, on the way to the title.

I disagree with the snub as well, but any bubble team shouldn't be too surprised when they get left behind. Here are 3 things SU should have done to have reversed the outcome:

1. Don't lose to Drexel

2. Don't lose to a rebuilding UConn

3. Don't lose to St. Johns

Do that, and your conference schedule is 12-4: easily in.

If they make it to the final 8 they still don't add anything to the tourney??? What?!?! Then I guess we should just have 4 teams in it.Part of the fun of the tourney is having these mediocre teams win a game or two..or more. Another post said you should have to win .750 percent of your conference games or overall, I would like to see a list of all the teams that actually did that. Can you fill out 65 teams to do that!?!there really are some dumb posts on this thread.

Improvement is key wrote:

I agree with the other post. No team that is fifth in the conference adds anything to the tournament. Even if they were to advance to the final 8. Not interesting. It is like watching the college bowl games where the 4th team in the Big Ten plays the 5th team from the ACC. No one other than their alumni (and many times not even them) care.

Captain Haddock wrote:

I disagree with the snub as well, but any bubble team shouldn't be too surprised when they get left behind. Here are 3 things SU should have done to have reversed the outcome:

1. Don't lose to Drexel

2. Don't lose to a rebuilding UConn

3. Don't lose to St. Johns

Do that, and your conference schedule is 12-4: easily in.

Captain Haddock, you are correct. When I get angry at Syracuse getting left out, I think about the pieces on this team and get even angrier, because the Cuse should never have been in this situation. Another game to add to your list is the game at Louisville, in which they lead by 14 with under 10 minutes to go.

The Cuse put themselves in a position where the committee could take advantage of them and those douchebags obliged.

Whoop de damn do wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:

I disagree with the snub as well, but any bubble team shouldn't be too surprised when they get left behind. Here are 3 things SU should have done to have reversed the outcome:

1. Don't lose to Drexel

2. Don't lose to a rebuilding UConn

3. Don't lose to St. Johns

Do that, and your conference schedule is 12-4: easily in.

Captain Haddock, you are correct. When I get angry at Syracuse getting left out, I think about the pieces on this team and get even angrier, because the Cuse should never have been in this situation. Another game to add to your list is the game at Louisville, in which they lead by 14 with under 10 minutes to go.

The Cuse put themselves in a position where the committee could take

advantage of them and those douchebags obliged.

Hmm, they didn't even get a #1 seed in the NIT. Who do you think Syracuse should have displaced for an at-large bid to the NCAA champs?

look up about 10 posts...read it...and then make an arugment to me that arkansas who came in third in the SEC west (7-9) (a conference so weak that the 1 and 2 teams were below .500 in the sec) Purdue and Stanfurd were more deserving I'll be waiting

Whoop de damn do wrote:

"Yes, but they (NC State) won their conference tournament that year, and that's the only reason they got into the tournament.

Syracuse deserves to be out looking in."

In 1997, Arizona finished in fifth place in the Pac-10, received an at-large bid and won the national championship.

They beat Kansas, North Carolina and Kentucky, all of which I believe were #1 seeds, on the way to the title.

Yes, but Arizona had a better team that year and had more impressive wins than this year's Syracuse. AND, Arizona won one more conference game that year than Syracuse did this year. One game might have made the difference. Also, other than Georgetown this year, the Big East is pretty weak. Too many reasons to keep Syracuse out. No one other than a Syracuse fan should be crying that they are left out.

yeah big east is weak...2 teams in the top 10...5 in the top 25

And there were several posts on here in January complaining about the BCS. I even remember someone saying "you don't have these kind of arguments in basketball" hahahahahah. Suggestions were whether they should have a 4 team playoff or someone even suggested as many as 16. March Madness includes 65 teams and people bitch. Just face it we all like to complain if our team isn't playing.

Drexel should be in before Cuse. You Cuse fans know this, so quit your bitching. They beat you at your home court and put together a hell of a body of work. They set the NCAA record for road wins this year because nobody will play them at their court.

That being said, the tourney is supposed to crown an NCAA champ, and that is what it will do, regardless of whether or not Cuse is in. It sucks they aren't in and Purdue Stanford and Arkansas are, those three teams are garbage (even if they pull off some wins in the tourney). But Drexel has a more legit complaint than you all, and it wasn't midmajors that robbed you guys.