Tim Broe Update

Gosh, I respect Tim Broe a great deal! He is inspiring!

After that 7:39 indoor I was looking for to seem him run at least a 13:04 Outdoors!! It will come Tim! Train smart!

He is a great talent and the truth is, I think he could get down to running pretty consistent 8:16-8:14, but the AR and those extra 6-8 seconds won't come. He can run 13:05 and though the steeple is my baby, I bid Tim great success in the 5k. Bottom line is decide on ONE and prepare a little more specifically.

He just heard about Bix?

Tim Broe = Road Whore who couldn't and never will be able to truly cut it on the European circuit - ....shame

a waste would be spending the summer running 8:16's in europe while he could be making some money on the roads.

God forbid Tim Broe end his track season a little early because of declining form and might race on the roads once. I mean, it's too bad he might actually make some money this year by winning road races. Geez, runners are supposed to be the poor folk right?

Broe never said he was definitely going to take down the AR in the steeple this year, nor does he talk himself up. The only people he is letting down by ending his season short are the people who built him up in their minds and on stupid what if threads. And, I for one do not believe Broe sacrificed his track season by running on the roads, what two, now three times. He got injured, it happens.

Lighten up you idiots who have nothing better to do than predict times for runners you know nothing about.

I've got to agree with Moe. Sammy & Runner bring this forum down to the level of canadiancyclist.com (check out their forum and you'll see what I mean).

Only Tim can decide between running 8:16s and running on the roads.

????? What has happened to all the "Tim Broe is the saviour" "Tim Broe will kick ass all over Europe this summer" " Tim Broe will break American records" talk ???

Of course I can't decide what Tim runs and good luck to him if he picks up a few bucks running the roads - damn it if I'd his talent I would too! My comments are more directed to those that weighed in after Broe dropped out of the World Cross to chase dollars in Central Park - sorry, sorry - he didn't do that did he - he dropped out of the World Cross to concentrate on running fast times on the track in Europe in the summer......but hang on a sec...isn't he bagging that after underperforming to .....chase dollars on the roads ????

Where has our hero gone?

This is directed at Sammy and the scores of others who frequently slam Tim Broe and other elites. At long last, have you no decency? What has Tim Broe done to deserve such unfiltered venom as this: "Tim is a road whore who can't and won't ever be able to measure up on the European circuit"? (That, of course, is only the most recent example).

Would you have the balls to spew that piece of outrageous effrontery to his face? If not, you shouldn't say it on the message boards.

Tim is aware that his form is declining, so he's headed home to regroup. He deserves a round of applause for his outstanding year, but instead he gets shouted down by a pack of ignorant jackasses who fancy themselves track geniuses, but who can't find anything better to do than fight over who first predicted his outdoor season "downfall." For God's sake, you're happy about it. With fans like you, it's no wonder that track and field is not prospering in America.

Do you think that the elites are unaware of what people like you are saying about them on these message boards? Tim can't stand all this undignified sh*t-talking; Teter is aware that you have taken to calling her "Teteroid."

How would you feel if you had worked for years to run faster than most mortals can, and when you start having some success, you find not support from your supposed fan base, but an incessant stream of malice and schadenfreude from an assortment of retards, buffoons, and flat-out liars that would make the guys on PTI blush for shame?

Look at what Tim has accomplished this year: (1) USA XC champ for 4k; (2) American Record for indoor 3k (7:39); (3) USA indoor 3k champ; (4) USA 8k road champ (22:29); (5) third at outdoor usatfs; and (6) a series of very respectable performances at smaller meets, including an 8:18 steeple.

That is a year any American distance runner EVER would be proud of. So show some f**king respect, if not for yourself, then for the folks who actually deserve it.

(1) USA XC champ for 4k;

So he wins that, but then whores himself out to some "national championship" road race to make a few $$$ instead of competing for national pride, costing the men's short course team a medal if he could have only hung around Jared Cordes to be our 4th scorer.

(2) American Record for indoor 3k (7:39)

(3) USA indoor 3k champ

Indoor means crap. You're never going to get popular, good, or rich by winning indoor races or setting records there.

(4) USA 8k road champ (22:29)

The aforementioned whoring of the Broe, turning his back on his country.

(5) third at outdoor usatfs

Unfortunately Mr. Broe was already declining, as he could have won the race with a very respectable performance such as he displayed at a smaller meet, notably his 8:18 steeple.

(6) a series of very respectable performances at smaller meets, including an 8:18 steeple

...a performance he failed to replicate when the time came for him to do so.

I frankly don't know whether to blame him or Warhurst...or both! I realize people have down years, but the way some people try to defend him doesn't take into account how much Broe was hyped this year and how he didn't deliver in the clutch. At least we can believe he's clean. Better luck next year buddy.

You're so F-ing stupid.

"...how much Broe was hyped up this year..."

Who do you think hyped him up? Certainly not Tim or Ron Warhurst. It was dumbass message boeard idiots like yourself.

Ditto--about the naysayers. It's good for an elite athlete to keep up motivation by wanting to improve, and I guess message boards can give motivation, mostly negative though. Tim Broe has done an amazing job, sure the AR would have been nice, and he certainly has the potential. I'm happy to see him do well in the 5K as well. Goucher ran a great indoor 3K time which eventually translated to 13:10. I don't see why Tim can't do more of the same. Good job Broe baby.

"Not enough": I stand by my contention. Tim had an awesome year, and he doesn't owe anything by way of explanation to you. You don't know Tim's personal circumstances, what his training's like, or why he makes the choices that he does. Your stake in his professional career is zilch, zero, nothing. It is the ultimate in pretentiousness for you to think you're worthy to assign "blame" anywhere. Tim had a plan going into the year; some of it worked out perfectly, some of didn't. There will be many more races in his still burgeoning career, and some of them are going to be awesome, others not. Why not throw a little good will toward the guy for his success this year? He's earned it.

Dear Idiots,

Please re-read my post - "My comments are more directed to those that weighed in after Broe dropped out of the World Cross...." - I'm not slagging off Broe per se - I'm calling out YOU LOT who screamed in girlie whines "he's going to bnreak the American record" " He's going to take on the Africans" "Watch him go in Europe" - its YOU LOT that I'm talking to and asking where has your hero gone? You defended him for dropping out of the World Cross ( inexcusable and totally unpatriotic especially when USA could and should have won a team medal with his help) saying - wait till he gets to Europe in the summer etc. etc. well summer has come and gone for Tim and sorry but I haven't seen any reason to cheer yet?

Additionally to the hot head who's had enough of people bashing others on a discussion board - deal with it ! If you really want track and field to be up there with other sports you better get used to reality - you think Mike Piazza liked being called gay in the NY press - NO - how did he respond - he didn't pack in for the summer and wilt - he went out and hit a few home runs and now its forgotten - did Lance Armstong wilt under accusasions of EPO use - nope he went out and won 3 back to back Tours de France- if Americans best track athletes get side tracked by purile banter on a message board (and lets face it thats what this is at best) then god help when they are on the start line in Europe or at a Championship and they look into the eyes of some Ethiopian or Russian and see no fear, whos going to be there to hold their hand then?

"Not enough yet", you're such a git. Maybe the USA pays Tim Broe a lot of money that ultimately comes out of tax-payers pockets, in which case he should have peaked to race XC for his country. Why don't you tell us how much the USA pays him and justify your message?

And what's that crap about "blame"? Did he owe you some great performances so you could live vicariously through him?

Try running, or even just sitting and thinking. It'd probably do you some good.

Hey Sammy,

I'm rereading the post you weighed in with. Here it is (maybe you should reread it too),

"Tim Broe = Road Whore who couldn't and never will be able to truly cut it on the European circuit - ....shame"

Hey Jaxxon

FYI - the shame I meant was in the context of "its a shame...." not the fact that Tim should feel shame at his abilities- Other than that I totally stand by what I wrote and if you disagree please state where you disagree with what I wrote above

Thanks

Sammy

I disagree with your saying he's underperforming and your calling him a "road whore", and here's why:

The line between "performing" and "underperforming" is pretty subjective. To be able to say that a guy who's had the sort of year Broe has is "underperforming", you pretty much have to be his coach, him, or his mom.

The term "road whore" is kinda negative. Your using it implies that you think there's something wrong with his deciding to run road races. There's nothing wrong with voicing that opinion, but you could certainly do it without using terms like that. In fact, if you put some thought into the message, you might even come up with something that makes Tim Broe - and/or others like him - see your point and think "Hmmm..."

Jaxxon,

Agreed - Road Whore is an unfortunate turn of phrase and conveys something too strong and degrading for what we're talking about - I apologise to Tim and his supporters for using the term. I also apologise somewhat for adopting a childish "nah-nah-nanna-nah" approach to Tim's performances BUT I do stick by the main crux of my argument and would challenge anyone to debate me upon the merits of skipping World Cross to run road races when you're supposedly making your main goal that of running fast times on the track in the summer in Europe and rightly chasing those American records and putting US runners on the World running map in a similar vein to that of Mo Greene / Lance Armstrong etc. etc.

Sammy