mucheru to become us citizen!

I'm sure the reason you want to withhold your name is that you know just how silly your post is.

I don't suppose the two idiots (or maybe it was one idiot redialing) who called your cell bothered to cite the provision in US immigration law that would permit the scenario you suggest?

Wow... this must be the rarely seen "immiediate US citizenship" application!

i think Sacco and Vanzetti used that application

well, that's the last time i tell you any news, toughguy! i highly doubt you would call these "two guys" idiots to their face. you must be a very angry person. good luck with all that.

But you haven't told me or anyone else any news!

You're anonymous; your supposed sources are anonymous; there's no mention of what legal provisions there are that would enable the situation you present to actually occur; there's been no official suggestion of anything of the sort happening.

I may be a 'toughguy' and a 'very angry person', but I still live in the real world and not cloud coo-koo land.

isn't there a provision that includes a waiting period which prevents an athlete from competing for a new country for a few years after switching citizenship?

Cloud Coo-Koo Land

Sometimes I wish I lived in such a place...um...yes...can I get a bottomless bowl of Coco-Puffs...to go.

It depends whether or not they have ever represented their former country in international competition and, if so, when.

name withheld wrote:

rumors abound this morning (two different cell calls) that mucheru is applying for immediate US citizenship. the trials could take on a whole new flavor!

lol. I guess khalid k must have missed the 'immediate citizenship' checkbox on his application. What a mistake- it cost him, what, 2 or 3 years?

seriously. thanks for driving home my point. who pissed in your wheaties? have you always been like that? unbelievable.

1. and yes, i STATED that this was a rumor. so indeeed, you were given some information. that is new news- verified or not.

2. you are anonymous as well. what is your point?

3. i doubt they'll hold a news conference to "let this out of the bag". come on, dude.

4. thank you for admitting your angst. there's a good chance that you need to get laid.

now take a deep breath and go back to your cage, you angry little elf.

He might have a right of asylum under UN Convention

"A person who is outside his/her country of nationality or habitual residence; has a well-founded fear of persecution because of his/her race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group or political opinion; and is unable or unwilling to avail himself/herself of the protection of that country, or to return there, for fear of persecution."

name withheld wrote:

1. and yes, i STATED that this was a rumor. so indeeed, you were given some information. that is new news- verified or not.

Your 'information' does not hold together, nor is there any substantiation. That doesn't qualify as 'news'.

2. you are anonymous as well. what is your point?

I'm not making any claims that are not supported or unverifiable. You are.

3. i doubt they'll hold a news conference to "let this out of the bag". come on, dude.

Come on where? Who said anything about holding a press conference? Exactly who is it that you think is even holding this 'in the bag' in the first place? See what I mean about your story not holding together?

4. thank you for admitting your angst. there's a good chance that you need to get laid.

Which has what, specifically, to do with the fact you made up some pie-in-the-sky story and refuse to acknowledge there is no evidence of such a thing occurring, let alone the legal principals in existence to allow it to occur? Stick to the point (or lack thereof in your case).

By the way, I've received two cell calls and three emails that the poster going by the handle 'name withheld' is really a crack-dealing, cross-dressing pedophile. Don't expect me to back this up, just accept that this is 'news' I am passing on. Anyone who questions this story is obviously bottling a lot of pent-up anger and needs some physical companionship with the gender of their choice.

Actually this sort of thing (immediate citizenship) happens in some cases. Usually its for done for those with a high degree of technical training like scientists. Otherwise the system takes about 10 years to go through. The INS is the most disorganized department in the executive branch. That said, I'd imagine athletes can get special status too, especially in cases where it makes good pr like this one. Don't tell me that Lagat waited ten year to get US citizenship, it would have meant that he started the process before even the Atlanta Games.

Tuone Udaina wrote:

It depends whether or not they have ever represented their former country in international competition and, if so, when.

As for this, didn't he just compete in the Asia Games? That would qualify for competition for the national squad. It would mean that he couldn't compete for the US in international competition for a few years (I can't remember if its two or three).

An obvious injustice to Mucheru being banned from Bahrain for competing in Israel.

Too bad the US government can't come out and say, " Do you see how wacked these muslim countries are? DO you understand why we give tens of billions of dollars to Israel every year to help them exist?" And note how Israel has no oil for those 'Its all about oil' people.

Meanwhile, in Iran a woman who killed her attacker in self defence may be stoned to death for adultery because under shiria law a woman's voice counts one half that of a man so she needs 'four' MALE witnesses to counter his word. I would think under that crazy formula two would do but it may be muslim math.

Everybody is so focused on bashing Bush (biggest red herring in history) and ignoring these blatently wack job countries.

20,000 more for Iraq? Given it is attracted the militants, might not be a bad idea to fight them in one place.

My two cents!

Mucheru's expulsion is not about Islam/Judaism. Muslim majority countries such as Turkey, Egypt and Jordan recognize and trade with Israel.

The custom of a woman's testimy as counting as one half of a man's is a matter of interpretation (as with anything). Some areas maintain a very 7th Century interpretation (mind you, much of the subjugation of women that is associated with Islam are really pre-existing vaues that were incorported into Islam when it first arrived there), while others acknowledge the changes that have been made in 1300 years of history.

Large parts of Christendom maintain similar ancient world views (on Creation, sex, homosexuality, etc), while others in Christianity acknowledge how far removed those beleifs are form the modern day.

[quote]villyvon wrote:

Actually this sort of thing (immediate citizenship) happens in some cases. Usually its for done for those with a high degree of technical training like scientists. Otherwise the system takes about 10 years to go through. The INS is the most disorganized department in the executive branch. That said, I'd imagine athletes can get special status too, especially in cases where it makes good pr like this one. Don't tell me that Lagat waited ten year to get US citizenship, it would have meant that he started the process before even the Atlanta Games."

Uh, Lagat married an American, slick: thus, his relatively expedient citizenship. Once married, i believe it still takes over a year to get citizenship (i could be mistaken as to the approximate time). There is no chance mucheru gets any sort of 'immediate' citizenship. In fact, that is one of the dumber things I have heard lately. Don't get me wrong- I realize the original poster is just ignorant to the facts about naturalization, but still...

Tuone Udaina wrote:

Mucheru's expulsion is not about Islam/Judaism. Muslim majority countries such as Turkey, Egypt and Jordan recognize and trade with Israel.

The custom of a woman's testimy as counting as one half of a man's is a matter of interpretation (as with anything). Some areas maintain a very 7th Century interpretation (mind you, much of the subjugation of women that is associated with Islam are really pre-existing vaues that were incorported into Islam when it first arrived there), while others acknowledge the changes that have been made in 1300 years of history.

Large parts of Christendom maintain similar ancient world views (on Creation, sex, homosexuality, etc), while others in Christianity acknowledge how far removed those beleifs are form the modern day.

It may be the case that some Muslim countries do recognize Israel but a fair number are dedicated to its destruction.

The point is that Islam is not evolving if they are holding on to 7th century views and when Christians hold ancient world views they are generally reemed out for it. I'd like to see the same people who condemn the far right christians be consistant and do the same for nut case things like stoning a woman to death for the crime of being raped. Its not enough to understand why they are wacked.

name withheld wrote:

rumors abound this morning (two different cell calls) that mucheru is applying for immediate US citizenship. the trials could take on a whole new flavor!

Mucheru might be forgiven.

SPORTS

Sports minister pleads for stranded stateless athlete

Story by CHARLES NYENDE and PETER NJENGA

Publication Date: 1/11/2007

Sports Minister Maina Kamanda has asked the Immigration Department not to deport stateless athlete Mushir Salem Jawher, formerly known as Leonard Mucheru.

?I appeal to the Immigration Department to allow the athlete to stay in Kenya on humanitarian grounds. He has suffered enough and we should accept him back,? Kamanda said. Jawher was recently stripped of his Bahraini citizenship after taking part in a marathon in Israel.

This effectively renders him stateless. According to the Kenyan constitution, one automatically ceases being a Kenyan citizen on acquiring the citizenship of another country.

?He probably did not know what he was getting himself into. He has been a Kenyan all along and what he has earned in running he has invested here in Kenya,? Kamanda said.

The minister wondered why the Bahraini authorities decided to take such drastic action against their own national who had won them medals in international competition including a silver at the 5000 metres final of 15th Arab Games last month.

?The Bahrainis should have applied the law of the land there to charge him rather than revoking his citizenship.?

Jawher is currently holed up in Kenya since last Saturday after arriving from Israel and family members would not disclose his location.

?Let this be a lesson to other athletes who are contemplating changing citizenship,? Kamanda said.