Top five next year pre-season poll...

Jeramie wrote

"As for Merkley he was a great athlete at both schools but he was ahead of both of the guys at SUU that beat him in 1999 before he left. Also he ran a 4:06 as a sophomore at SUU; he didn't beat that time while running for the U."

This is more Southern Utah spinning. I looked at the SUU site to see if Merkley ran 4:06 as a sophomore and he didn't. The coach has taken their faster altitude times and adjusted them to make them look better then they were. He didn’t run 4:06, he ran 4:10 or 4:11 or who knows what and the coach applied an altitude conversion to it to get it down to 4:06. He didn't run 4:06 for the mile. Nor did their school record holder run 14:07 for the 5,000 but that is the school record.

As far as your comment that BYU should be ashamed of being beaten by a team with a small budget. Southern Utah raced in California twice, Griak, Pre-Nationals, Kansas City, and Albuquerque. That doesn't look like a low budget program. They traveled a lot.

Your telling me that other schools don't altitude adjust their times. That is what you have to do for national qualifying. You also have to add on time in the sprints to qualify if you run at altitude. Anyone that has run at altitude knows there is a big difference even in a race as short as the mile. Again look at how well Mountain region runners ran at NC's after getting very little respect most of the season. As for SUU's travel schedule it is only 6 hours to California by bus the same distance as the meet they went to Idaho St., and Kansas City was for the conference meet (can't miss that) Albuquerque was regionals (can't miss that either) As for pre-nats according to this board every coach should sell their soul to go to Terre Haute, look at poor UTEP, and SUU only took five runners to pre-nats. So pretty much every meet except for Griak was a must. Also budgets don't just count where you travel, but what scholarships you are giving out. That is where a smaller, lower funded school like SUU usually struggles. But you can SPIN things however you want I suppose.

As for the school record holder in the 5000 Curtis Moore he went on the win the first marathon he ever ran in 2:20:45 so don't tell me he didn't run 14:07. He took second at Mountain Region XC as a junior and 3rd as a senior and top 60 those two years at nationals. BYU adjusts their times for their record books just like all Mountain Region teams do too. Take a look at their season bests from last year the top 4 1500 meter guys all had altitude adjusted times. Please don't act like everyone on here is naive.

Dude, just shut up. You're diggin your team a big hole.

I am telling you that Curtis Moore did not run 14:07. He did not do it. I don't care how fast he ran in the marathon he did not run 14:07. He ran 14: something in Pocatello and your coach applied an altitude adjustment to come up with the 14:07. You can say it all he wants but he didn't run it.

BYU does not adjust their altitude times for top 10 lists. The NCAA counts them only for qualifying so that altitude teams have a chance to qualify for nationals without always going to sea level. They do not count them for record purposes nor does any other governing organization, USATF, IAAF. Only SUU counts them for record purposes.

I'd like you to find another altitude school that adjusts them and then counts them as school records or in their top 10. Let alone all Mountain Region teams as you claim. Perhaps you are the naive one.

If you need me to, I'll post BYU's top 10 for you.

Their recruiting class sucks anyway. The one from Nevada who he mentions is the "best in Nevada" got 7th at state and didn't even crack top 100 at FLW. This guy is a joke. It will be tough for them to break top 5 in the region let alone in the nation.

This is a little off topic.......and I respect the hell out of Jess, but I do think it is a little unfair that a lot of SUU (and BYU for that matter) get runners that go on LDS Missions for 2 years and then come back as freshman. I understand that there is nothing that is stopping me from not going to school for 2 years until I get older, but this is a huge advantage. What do you guys all think/feel about that? I'm just curious, not trying to bust anyones balls.

No altitude adjusting at Colorado for the all time list.

Jeramie

SUU doesn't really altitude adjust their times for their top 10. Come on... no way....

This is becomeing more and more of an SNL skit. SUU is sounding more and more like a joke....

Really, someone from SUU please come on here and tell us that the school records are not altitude adjusted.

This is tooo funny. This can't be real.

hat is GOOD STUFF wrote:

Jeramie

SUU doesn't really altitude adjust their times for their top 10. Come on... no way....

This is becomeing more and more of an SNL skit. SUU is sounding more and more like a joke....

Really, someone from SUU please come on here and tell us that the school records are not altitude adjusted.

This is tooo funny. This can't be real.

I think it is pretty crazy that a school would actually take adjusted times for their school record. I can understand why the NCAA allows this for national or regional qualifying purposes, but to actually change your school record from what was actually run is pretty ludicrous. I feel pretty confident that no other school does this, but if anyone knows of another school that does this, let us know.

Now it is making sense.... The school that "COULDA" taken 8th at nationals has school records that are how fast they "COULDA" run if they had run somewhere else.

Not actual accomplishments but ficional "coulda" accomplishments.

I wonder how the dictionary on the SUU campus defines reality?

LOL

This just gets better and better.

Obviously Jesse B. is an outstanding runner and I'm sure that is in large part to the coach, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the coach is completely delusional (and I'm starting to wonder if you, Jeramie, are the coach with your equally outlandish statements). What kind of coach would set his team up like this for all the criticism that is sure to ensue after they don't meet the expectations he just set forth for them? Nobody I would like to be coached by. Also, how many injuries did J.B. list during that interview? You'd have to think that the coach should be given credit with some of those. I think J.B. is much more talented than he, or his coach, realized and this is the first year he didn't get it all screwed up with an injury. I'd be willing to bet he'll be hurt all outdoor or next cross season and won't be seeing 1/4 or that $100,000 contract his coach guarranteed.

Is this a BYU website?

BYU is always breaking rules to make sure that they get all the athletes that they need. How do they get so many year? Talking to high athtletes at races befor. Talking to other programs athtletes and offering them scholarships if they transfer. Ask any BYU coach that. They honestly can't deny it. Keep talking BYU and show your true colors!

If you have a problem with schools adjusting the times. You can always adjust them back. They have all the charts for you. Its not rocket science. OH I forgot you are probably from BYU and that would be considered rocket science.

crazy wrote:

BYU is always breaking rules to make sure that they get all the athletes that they need.

Let's see if I got this right SUU is a top 5 team going for a national title. SUU was 8th this year. SUU makes up its own school records listing times that no one has ever run (altitude adjustments). SUU makes lots of no names all-americans because they did it once. A kid that was 6th in the nation the year after he left SUU made a big mistake just look at his results.

And it is all BYU's fault. BYU made Houle say that rubbish.

RIIIIGGHHTTTT!!!!!

crazy wrote:

If you have a problem with schools adjusting the times. You can always adjust them back. They have all the charts for you. Its not rocket science. OH I forgot you are probably from BYU and that would be considered rocket science.

If SUU wants to make up its own rules and post its records based on what might have been instead of what actually happened then fine. But we get to mock.

And you must love someone from SUU trying to attack the academic rigors of BYU. "I only go to BYU because I couldn't get into SUU". I here that all over the campus every day.

The only reason that anyone goes to Col or oregon or wisconsin is becasue they can't get into SUU......

So now the SUU posters are quiet other then to try and defer the attention and attack BYU.

They haven't been able to find any other schools that adjust their school records to make them look better so they go silent.

There is only one Jeramie on their website, is that who has been posting?