ouch! lol
ouch! lol
scotth wrote:
-As I've said, I don't think it was 100m but it was enough to make catching up a strain. I'm pretty sure we'd caught up to the last guys in less than a minute of running.
-'73 was the second year there was a qualiying system in place to run so doubt there were many more than run in the meet today (around 250). I'll dig thru my archives.
Scott, I never thought you meant that he was 100m behind the pack. I always assumed you meant "100m behind the leaders."
In four years in college I never ran in a "qualifying" meet. Not saying that there weren't qualifying meets, but I never ran in one.
PS, Scott, that's pretty impressive that you were able to throw Minty to the ground at the start! I'd have just tied his shoelaces together.
According to the NCAA write up, there were 220 runners in the race. Look at the write up on page 5.
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_video/NCAANewsArchive/1973/19731215.pdf
no one wrote:
ouch! lol
1971 NCAA D2 race:
1. Slack NDSU 24:19
2. Tubb CSF 24:32
3. Covert CSF 24:38
Let's see...somebody overachieved that day!
1971 NCAA D1 race:
1. Pre
2. Bjorklund UMinn
3. Slack see above
7. Cusack ETSU
8. Leddy ETSU
12. Wottle BG
18. Merrick UPenn
30. Liquori Vill
31. Tyson UO
40. Covert see above
70. Popejoy MSU
I don't see Tubb of CSF among top 87...what happened? Mr Covert who was in the early days of his now-prodigious running streak!
true story - I heard he was 'about 50th' - just behind Covert ... and so pissed he ducked under rope/flagged thingees and walked away from the chute, just after finishing - obviously never showed on official results. One of the big disappointments of career. And I heard this from a reliable source / authority. CSF did have a top 20 in D1- John Casso 17th, who was 5th the week before.
-malmo, I'd say you're right we were about 100m behind the leaders, not the back of the pack.
-Looked thru the Dec '72 & '73 T&FN for district results and they only listed a few. Am pretty sure '72 was the first year there was a system in place...probably via conference results in a few cases. Wisconsin (men) is often credited w/being the only school to have qualified every year since '72.
-if you guys keep this up about me having something to do w/GMinty hitting the turf, I'm gonna change my story and claim I had no idea it happened until the plane trip home.
in the interests of journalistic and internet precision - I don't recall anyone mentioning your name as the strong arm assault machine here - but as long as you are volunteering that - it solves part of the mystery behind all of this.
I think this is a technique used by cops and reporters - just give em enough information and they fill in the blanks. Confession is good for the soul!
~50th - dang. So painful a memory, yet so karmic that you bring it up. Instant karma as it were.
I shall never mention body slams in the same breath as xc race starts again ... :)
scotth wrote:
-if you guys keep this up about me having something to do w/GMinty hitting the turf, I'm gonna change my story and claim I had no idea it happened until the plane trip home.
When asked why you tackled Minty way back in 1973, next time use a boilerplate Mafia response, "I doan know nuttin, and you can't prove nuttin." If they persist, then you look em in the eye and tell em their grandmothers home address, "767 Main Street, Grand Rapids, Meeshigan. I doan know nuttin and you doan wanna know nuttin. So we agree, right?"
Candidate for "kicker's face," albeit not terribly effective.
Jim H, you'll notice there really was a "Mr Chest" of the running world, my teammate Paul Stemmer. That's no illusion, Stem' guns really did look like that. A freak of nature, he's never been sick a day in his life.
Scott posted the results from a 'nutha thread
1. Steve Prefontaine UOregon 28:14 (6 miles)
2. Nick Rose WKentU 28:20
3. Gordon Minty EMichU 28:22
4. Neik Cusack ETennU 28:28
5. Wilson Waigwa UTEP 28:32
6. Pat Mandera UInd 28:38
7. Doug Brown UTenn 28:40
8. Bentley SDakSt 28:44
9. John Ngeno WashSt 28:45
10. Craig Virgin UIll 28:47
11. Ted Castaneda UColo 28:55
12. Chris Ridler WKentU 28:56
13. Brown UTEP 28:58
14. Eddy Leddy ETennU 28:59
15. Ed Mendoza UAriz 28:59
16. Danny Murphy WashSt 28:59
17. Eden Duke 29:05
18. Mike Durkin UIll 29:06
19. Louv W & M 29:07
20. Peterson UColo 29:08
21. Ed Bannon MemphSt 29:10
22. Williams UOre 29:12
23. Charlie Maguire PennSt 29:13
24. Sam Torres Murray 29:15
25. Hayes UInd 29:16
Others:
27. John Halberstadt OKSt 29:17
28. Ron Addison UTenn 29:20
29. Matt Centrowitz Manhat 29:23
32. Craig McDonald BGSU 29:25
34. Tony Waldrop UNC 29:32
40. Tony Sandoval Stanf 29:38
72. George Malley PennSt 29:58
89. scotth EMU 30:15
Nice accompanying music! At least 10 guys, besides malmo, out of that top 50 went on to some decent running.
CVirgin, long list of accomplishments including 2 WXC wins
NRose, long list of accomplishments into the mid-80's
PCummings, fast (sub-4:00) and strong at the longer stuff
HLindsay, ran a few good road races around '79-'81
JTreacy, Oly marathon medalist
JWells, before AlSal/Beardsley was Rodgers/Wells at Boston, 2:10:13-2:10:15
BDonakowski, sub-2:11 to win Nat Marathon
GMeyer, BDona teammate, long list of accomplishments including 2:09:00 Boston
DHowieson, 2:12 marathon, 7th best-ever Canadian
Another bit of Gordon Minty trivia is that he was the last person to qualify for the 1984 Olympic Marathon trials. He ran a couple of seconds under the 2:19:04 qualifying standard on the last day of qualifying. Talk about cutting it close.
Brian Maxwell wrote an article for RW in which he recounts racing # 21 Bannon in a marathon. It came down to a kick, which Maxwell won. I can't remember the name of the marathon. I believe they both ran 2:high teens.
scotth wrote:
Nice accompanying music! At least 10 guys, besides malmo, out of that (1975) top 50 went on to some decent running.
CVirgin, long list of accomplishments including 2 WXC wins
NRose, long list of accomplishments into the mid-80's
PCummings, fast (sub-4:00) and strong at the longer stuff
HLindsay, ran a few good road races around '79-'81
JTreacy, Oly marathon medalist
JWells, before AlSal/Beardsley was Rodgers/Wells at Boston, 2:10:13-2:10:15
BDonakowski, sub-2:11 to win Nat Marathon
GMeyer, BDona teammate, long list of accomplishments including 2:09:00 Boston
DHowieson, 2:12 marathon, 7th best-ever Canadian
From the 1973 NCAA's
Pre
Rose
Waigwa, one of the top 1500m runners in the world in the 70s
DBrown, 3x Olympian, first American under 8:20 in the steeple
Virgin
Castenda, perpetual bridesmaid
EMendoza 2:10:04 marathoner
MDurkin, 2x Olympian 1500, Jim Spivey's coach
RAddison, ranked top 10 in the world steeplechase in 1977
MCentrowitz, 2 x Olympian, AR in 5000
Tony Waldrop, Indoor WR in the mile
TSandoval, 2:10 marathoner, Olympian
Malley
Indulge an old man: I was in that race too. I was the #2 runner for Indiana behind Pat Mandera (who got 6th, and can be seen in the pic that is in the upper string behind Pre, Rose, Ngeno, Cusick, and Brown). We had won the Big 10 2 weeks prior (1-4: Virgin, Mandera, Durkin, me, and then Minty won individual at Districts, beating Mandera.
Pre season, I set goal of top 25/All American. I always ran in front pack early and then hoped to hang on (absolutely no inherent kick). There was a nearly 180 degree turn around a green about 1/4 mile into the race, with the bank going the wrong way (in to out, rather than out to in), and it was a crisp 25 degree day with frost on the course.
I was in 2nd or 3rd at the green, lost my footing, and went down, with ~ 300 long-spiked runners immediately behind me. My first thought was "there goes the race," my second was there goes me!
Spent the rest of the race catching up (not to the extent that Minty did-but no one passed me). I distinctly remember passing Hailu Ebba, an international class 1/2 miler from ORegon STate, because they have such distinctive orange uniforms and they put their names on the back of their jerseys.
Like others, I remember watching the front of the race, particularly Pre and Rose, in the "loop-de-loops" in the back of the course. For once, I actually outkicked some guys down the stretch, but I'll never forget my total disappointment ast the official at the finish line tapped my shoulder and said "26th!!" I had failed.
But then, as I caught my breath, I saw the distinctive orange jersey ahead of me with Ebba's name on it! How could he have re-passed me? I certainly hadn't remembered it.
Turned out he hadn't. He had cut off one of the "loop-de-loops" right in front of an official. His disqualification moved me to 25th, and a successful season!!
Thanks for letting me reminisce.
Hayeser Hoosier wrote:
Thanks for letting me reminisce.
That is just a rich story, Hayeser! From the cold (it was the dry cold) to the slope of the turns, the zig-zags where you could view the Rose/Pre battle - that's exactly the way I remembered it.
And the 6 inches of snow that fell the next morning.
The next year was the first year they added "back-door" All Americas - at your home course in Indiana. Wet, cold, sloppy footing - real cross country. Like you, I made the cut for the final All-America (39th). Didn't know it for a couple hours.
These stories are great indeed; please feel free to resite more memories!
From what i've read, it sounds like Rose went for Broke but when did Pre catch him? Was it mid race or did he put the 8 second gap on Rose in the last mile?