Today was a great day for racing all around the country, but today Western beat Adams in the second, of what seems to be a series of 6 head to head battles.
After the stomping Adams gave Western two weeks ago, this really spices things up.
The next showdown is September 30th at the Shootout.
With the addition of Colorado, this is really looking to be a fun race to watch.
Don't get to excited there. Adams ran AT MOST half a team, while Western ran the same team they ran at the Vigil meet. If Western has these stellar recruits like everyone says, they better run soon. It's not like Vandenbouch to hold people out this long. My guess is that's the best team Western can put out there. They may have more guys in Gunnison, but they may not race this year for whatever reason (redshirt, injury, eligability).
psh... they'll be there when it counts.... gvsu is looking strong too... can they fight it out with adams and western?
It was a 4k which doesnt tell you anything about how a 10k will turn out. And Jesus Solis didnt run. Im definatly not a fan of either team but I don't think this race matters.
Another question I have for adams and western runners/fans/alums. Why don't either of these teams race Division 1 competition. They pretty much have dual meets with eachother from their opener until Nationals. I know they race Colorado once, but other than that, they race no one. It would be nice to see how they rank up with teams other than eachother.
Westside wrote:
Another question I have for adams and western runners/fans/alums. Why don't either of these teams race Division 1 competition. They pretty much have dual meets with eachother from their opener until Nationals. I know they race Colorado once, but other than that, they race no one. It would be nice to see how they rank up with teams other than eachother.
I am not a runner/fan/alum of either school, but I think it is important to realize that the budgets of d2 schools is usually considerably smaller than most d1, making travel a little more difficult. Also, having been a former resident of the Gunnison area, I can attest to the fact that traveling by vehicle can get complicated (and is even worse in the unexpected weather of autumn...pass closures due to freak storms, for example)and that flying out of Gunnison to Denver to connect to another flight can cost 500-900 per person just b/c United airlines has a monopoly over all small CO airports.
Just a thought. I could be way off base, but I know people who reside in smaller states don't understand that one could literally travel inside the state of CO for a good 8-10 hours without leaving the state, and CO has what, 3 or 4 d1 schools? And it's not like the surrounding states of Utah, New Mexico, etc are inundated with them either, like you find in the midwest or east coast. Hell, maybe they're just pansies though!haha
I know for a fact that both schools try on a regular basis to compete against the high caliber D1 schools and they are often not allowed in the meets for a variety of reasons. Mostly though, I think it has to do with D1 schools not wanting to lose to a D2 school, which most would. It looks really bad for recruting when one coach can point out how all of these schools that a kid might be looking at lost to a D2 school. High School kids would have no idea that most D1 schools would lose. D1 people would have you believe that it is because a certain percent of the competition has to be against D1 teams. Yet at an invitational, when there are 20 or more teams competing, letting 1 or 2 small schools in wouldn't affect this one bit.
Dude missing 2 runners is far from half of a team. Although it was a 4k run it shows something still. It shows that you can't write the boys in red out. I have said it before and I will say it again. Aish is back and is going to take WSC to their 8th national title. ASC is going to get rocked in Florida. Next stop the rocky mountain shootout.
adams pulled out the meet in abluquerque though, so it seems they like racing d2 teams better
Maybe because racing Western provides more competition than racing in New Mexico, where if I'm not mistaken, Adams and Western went 1-2 last year.
As another poster already mentioned, Adams and Western have a long tradition of traveling to DI meets, but sometimes because of money and difficulty of travel from either location, they race primarily in-state where they can find plenty of competition. I'm sure either school would welcome any DI schools to travel to Alamosa or Gunnison!
F@$K Adams Express wrote:
Dude missing 2 runners is far from half of a team.
Lets see, no Jesus Solis, Jake Raines, Trey Thomason, Peter Donar. So they ran 3 of their top 7. I would say thats less than half a team.
To corunnerr: Do you really believe that there was anyone in albaqureque that could beat them?
What about Aden Ahmed? If he's running I'd consider him top 7. Although maybe he was in the results and I missed him.
1. Adams State College
3 4 7 13 17 (31) (32) = 44
SOLIS JESUS , MACIAS MARIO , MARTINEZ AUCENCIO , YOREK DEREK ,
OSMAN IDIRSE , NETTA ROB , DEHNER ERIC
2. Western State College
5 9 11 15 22 (24) (25) = 62
CHRISTENSEN KELLY , DONNAN IAIN , BODOR OLIVER , HOGARTH KIM ,
HIRSCH NICHOLAS , MURCH COLE , RICH ADAM
3. Colorado State University
8 12 16 19 20 (21) (26) = 75
GLAAB JOSH , MICHEL PAUL , WAHL JEFF , SANDERS SCOTT , FREED
JEREMY ,
WATSON ROB , PALACIOS NELSON
4. UTEP
1 2 6 36 41 (56) = 86
MUTAI PATRICK , SAMOEI STEPHEN , Ng'OJOY JAPHETH , MUNOZ JOE ,
KOECH ELIAS ,
BUMGARNER KIRK
so adams and western did go 1-2 for the men, but utep and csu had some ok runners in there as well it seems
midwaste wrote:
What about Aden Ahmed? If he's running I'd consider him top 7. Although maybe he was in the results and I missed him.
Is he running, haven't seen him race since last years shooutout?
Men 4k Run CC
Comp# Name School Time Points
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1 53 Aaron Braun FR Adams State 11:04.43
2 34 Kim Hogarth Western State 11:05.64
3 56 Aucencio Martinez SR Adams State 11:11.34
4 25 Aaron Clark Western State 11:26.55
5 26 Scott Dahlberg Western State 11:27.59
6 58 Brian Medigovich FR Adams State 11:29.37
7 40 John Butkey Western State-Unattached 11:34.45
8 27 Aaron Flower Western State 11:36.49
9 24 Zach Cordell Western State 11:42.30
10 52 Joe Barnett JR Adams State 11:44.16
11 31 Andy Mauk Western State 11:44.63
12 70 Ryan McNiff Adams State-Unattached 11:45.25
13 45 Tyler Pennel Western State-Unattached 11:47.78
14 32 Cole Murch Western State 11:51.83
15 55 Nick Lara JR Adams State 11:53.40
16 46 Tyler Rasmussen Western State-Unattached 11:54.13
17 23 Jesse Chettle Western State 11:55.54
18 57 Antonio Lopez FR Adams State 11:57.17
19 30 Andrew Hoffman Western State 12:01.71
20 69 Marco Arriaga Adams State-Unattached 12:06.75
21 29 Jason Graham Western State 12:09.70
22 21 Zack Bauer Western State 12:10.43
23 71 Drew Soucy Adams State-Unattached 12:16.24
24 20 Andrew Abdella Western State 12:19.85
25 35 Justin Henry Western State 12:23.69
26 47 Travis Rasmussen Western State 12:29.38
27 33 Ryan Wilbur Western State 12:30.94
28 68 Christopher George Adams State-Unattached 12:37.48
29 22 Lance Betts Western State 12:39.56
30 37 Kris Berry Western State-Unattached 12:42.25
31 51 Juan Altamirano JR Adams State 12:43.37
32 36 Miles Acinger Western State-Unattached 12:47.48
33 41 Ben Dewitt Western State-Unattached 12:49.18
34 43 Rich Kettles Western State-Unattached 12:56.82
35 48 Mike Tarantino Western State 13:00.52
36 81 Alister Ratcliff Fort Lewis 13:11.38
37 28 Lucas Gerlock Western State 13:26.74
38 44 Alex Kosgei Western State-Unattached 13:27.18
39 82 Ben Rogers Fort Lewis 13:28.77
40 49 Drew Wasmund Western State 13:30.76
41 38 Sean Brown Western State-Unattached 13:34.37
42 96 Mitch Diede Western State-Unattached 14:11.77
43 42 Adrien Huffman Western State-Unattached 14:19.86
44 39 Travis Brown Western State-Unattached 14:55.41
45 95 Nick Ross Western State-Unattached 15:33.40
they prolly don't travel cuz the school doesn't give them any money to do it.. i say the hitch hike to the griak!
Shootout in 2 days, cant wait.
A year later, Adams vs Western begins again. Joe Vigil invite Adams men ranked #2 Western men ranked #3, Adams women ranked #1 Western women ranked #3.
Prediction:
Western gets top male finisher, but gets second as team.
Adams gets top female finisher, but gets second as team.
KIL wrote:
Prediction:
Adams gets top female finisher, but gets second as team.
Did Western have some big transfers? Adams returns their top five.
name their top five
MLXC wrote:
Shootout in 2 days, cant wait.
Shootout is in a month. CU time trial is tomorrow (Saturday), which is an AT for the top 7 or 8 and a race for those trying to make the team. But, yeah, it will be sweet when it happens.