20 k AR

I thought Khannouchi ran 57:37 or something at New Haven after attaining his citizenship.

Pretty sure his 57 & change was 1998 and he didn't get citizenship 'till 1999 or 2000. Of course, I thought Meyer ran 58:26 so what do I know?

I asked Mark Curp this morning what his 20k split was at the Philadelphia (1:00:50) half marathon and he said it was at or just under 57:30. But since they did not have an "official" clock at the 20k mark, the time was not ratified.

You would think the 20k AR would be around that fast but the 20k distance is not run that frequently, more often the 1/2 marathon distance is raced.

I find those numbers difficult to swallow.

In my AR (1:01:43) on the same course in '82 my splits were 28:56, 46:51 and 58:40 for a 4:42.5 per mile average. I covered the final stretch from the Art Museum to the finish in 3:03, or 4:28.5 mile pace.

In 1985 I had a front row seat in Curps WR - I was in that race too (as usual). My 10k split was 29:05 and I don't believe I had gone "out the back door" yet (intense perisaltic rush). For Curp to have run 57:30 at 20k would mean his final .6818 miles would have been covered in 3:25, or 5:01 mile pace. In a highly competive, even-paced WR race on a perfect day, it would be hard to believe that the race suddenly and inexplicably turned into a Julie Moss crawl. Especially since none other than Nick Rose was still on Curp's tail.

My professional guestimate: no faster than 57:50 at 20k.

Thanks guys. While we are no closer to a solution to this mystery, the info is enlightening. Malmo, I believe 57:30 to 1:00:50 would be 3:20 (not 3:25) and therefore more like 4:53 pace. An exact extrapolation of the half pace would lead to 57:40.

I got confimation on Meyer for 58:24 at New Haven in '82 and Lindsay at 57:37 non-certified. So why bother keeping these records if they're not accurate? Thanks again.

Malmo did you run at Michigan St. many moons ago?

neverwas: I was using 1:00:55 based purely off of my memory, which after re-checking the record book proved to be correct. 5:01, you're right, my math was wrong - it should read 5:00.6. An exact extrapolation(sic) of Curp's half pace would be 57:44.8.

Like I said, figure no faster than 57:50.

Double-loop: no I did not go to Michigan State. You're thinking of Stan Mavis and Herb Lindsey.

My bad Malmo. I was using Charlie's data without cross referencing. No offense intended.

Malmo I was thinking about Herb Lindsey(mich st.).Did you run in that confrence?

Big Ten? No. We beat up on those guys in the Central Collegiates.

good grief, it's not a secret! malmo (George Malley) ran for Penn State before it was added to the Big Ten.

I remember Mr. Malley now,HE was another one of those guys from the early 80s with big gorilla balls.Ran a 2:11 or Very low 2:12 marathon IF my Memory is correct.Thanks Doug C for jogging my memory.

Yes, PRs of 2:12 for marathon, 3:40 for 1500 and former US record-holder in the steeple in 8:21.

Good range, no?

"big gorilla balls".

Makes me chuckle.

Monty

Doug C no question about that dudes range.Range and gorilla balls usually are synonymous.Monty I was a high schooler back in the mid 70s and it was such a great time to be a fan of the sport.The older guys like Malley,Hogdge,Salazar,Rodgers,and a handful of others were my Willie Mays,Larry Bird,and Walter Payton.They were my heroes,These guys were regal in every way.They were tough as nails and in almost all cases wonderful and helpful people.It was definetely a beautiful time for the sport of running.