Rupp Diagnosed With Hypothyroidism

Whatever People wrote:

I would think that they probably tried the rest before flying all over the country to figure out another problem. That's just a guess though.

When did he rest? And how long?

When I was overtrained as a college freshman (and yes, I also developed pneumonia), it took me 6 months of complete rest to recuperate. This is not something you get over in just a few days, or even a few weeks.

Also, please take note of this part of the article in particular. The condition, as I have noted before, is heriditary. It is not something Salazar made up so that Goucher & Rupp could get on PEDs.

MR: So what did the doctor say about why you have hypothyroidism?

AG: One, it's hereditary; my mom has it. Two, when it is hereditary, sometimes all it takes is a traumatic event to set it off. He thinks it could have started back in 2000 at the Trials when I basically ran myself to death. That was sick what I did there.

Who was he sponsored by at the time? Why did he have to be SENT to an out of state doctor to get a diagnosis?How can you refute the clear evidence already cited which states that EPO is stimulated by the proper administration of thyroid stimulating drugs!

Californian wrote:

Boy, I Wonder wrote:

With all honesty, I do not think that Goucher or Rupp knowingly cheat; however, it could certainly be the case that S@lazar is pushing the limit of what is legal.

Isn't it a tragedy when facts get in the way of a senseless bullshit-laden drug use theory like the one you've confabulated.

Goucher was diagnosed with hypothyroidism in 2003. (and started taking the medication for it then as well) when he was training under Wetmore. BEFORE he started working with Salazar.

http://www.mensracing.com/athletes/interviews/adamgoucher02.html

I believe he has excercise induced asthma and uses an inhaler, so would this be the other "medical condition" you allude to?

Drop off could be for a variety of reasons, but it seems from the article that two bad races and they run down to get a diagnosis in Houston, when perhaps resting him might have been a better idea - determine if the problem is overtraining. As has been talked about in other posts his symptoms seemed to indicate overtraining, but he goes down to Houston to see a doctor about the problem. Portland has Oregon Health Sciences University which I would expect to have some experts who could provide a diagnosis. Drive 100 miles north on I-5 or jump on a plane to Texas. Seems like you are looking for a doctor who will tell you what you want to hear.

It seems appropriate that Rupp's training regieme from Berto would put Rupp into a similar place as Burto was. Pushing the limits of what one's body can do can leave the body unable to respond so the body breaksdown as a result. Rupp will be back, but as will his mentor hurting from the experience. And if Rupp has the problems with getting the meds right, as have many others, he might never climb to the heights he was once headed for.

Needs an inhaler for asthma and EPO boosting thyroid meds - all legal mind you - and his coach is AlSal. Nope, nothing going on here, move along.

A journey of 10,000 meters, or 5,000, or even 1,500, consists of single steps.

Galen Rupp is keeping that thought in mind these days, even though he takes his steps faster than almost every 19-year-old or collegiate distance runner in the country.

“This is all about improvement,” says the University of Oregon runner, who is back home in Portland after getting mixed results —and a frustrating cold —during his three-race European jaunt last month.

The cold sapped his energy in his final European race July 23 in Heusden, Belgium. “The next day, he was sick as a dog; it hit him like a ton of bricks,” says his personal coach, Alberto Salazar. The bug forced Rupp, who deals with asthma, to withdraw from an invitational mile and left him subpar for last week’s Junior Pan Am Games in Windsor, Ontario.

Boy, I Wonder wrote:

Who was he sponsored by at the time? Why did he have to be SENT to an out of state doctor to get a diagnosis?

How can you refute the clear evidence already cited which states that EPO is stimulated by the proper administration of thyroid stimulating drugs!

Californian wrote:

Isn't it a tragedy when facts get in the way of a senseless bullshit-laden drug use theory like the one you've confabulated.

Goucher was diagnosed with hypothyroidism in 2003. (and started taking the medication for it then as well) when he was training under Wetmore. BEFORE he started working with Salazar.

http://www.mensracing.com/athletes/interviews/adamgoucher02.html

I have an underactive thyroid. I've been taking medication for it (synthroid) for almost 12 years. I have never failed a USADA drug test. If thyroid stimulating medication produced EPO then it would be illegal and I would have tested positive for using a banned substance. Apparently, USADA hasn't read your "evidence."

Dude, nobody cares about your underactive thyroid! Just because you have an underactive thyroid and went to a doctor does not make you an expert on the subject. You are a guy who has a condition, and takes his medication, end of subject.

Underactive Testicles wrote:

Dude, nobody cares about your underactive thyroid! Just because you have an underactive thyroid and went to a doctor does not make you an expert on the subject. You are a guy who has a condition, and takes his medication, end of subject.

I have spent tons of time researching the effects of an underactive thyroid on running performance(seeing as how I continued to compete after being diagnosed). I know much more about the dynamics of hypothyroidism than the average person who takes their meds and doesn't ask any questions. It doesn't make me an expert, but it does make someone knowledgeable about the subject. Which is more than can be said for many people posting on this thread.

I know it all could be a strange coincidence...but I'm thinking that there has to be SOME sort of correlation between goucher, rupp, AND kennedy all being diagnosed with hypothyroidism. Perhaps the connection is just that they all have a hereditary predisposition and it was triggered with intense training/overtraining. I think people have a valid reason to be asking questions...but for f***'s sake show some tact. I guess keeping the attacks to a minimum would violate the 1st rule of letsrun forum dynamics.

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Ruppy has asthma and hypothyroidism and is an elite athlete and Salzar is his coach?

What are the chances of that?

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Boy, I Wonder wrote:

How can you refute the clear evidence already cited which states that EPO is stimulated by the proper administration of thyroid stimulating drugs!

Wow, this just absolutely proves that a tiny bit of knowledge is a very bad thing indeed, in fact, worse than no knowledge at all. Wow, so you found out that Thyroid Hormone causes the body to increase its natural EPO production and think you stumbled on some big secret that proves thyroid hormone could be a PED. Bravo, you are a totally idiot. Firstly, doesn't your big discovery make you realize that, SINCE EPO production is partly effected by Throid hormone, that therefore GETTING ONE'S THYROID HORMONE LEVELS INTO THE NORMAL RANGE WOULD BE CONSIDERED PRUDENT FOR A RUNNNER OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER??? DUH!!! Of course they would want Rupp's thyroid levels normal.

But of course I know what you will say next: 'but, who's to say that a little extra thyroid hormone won't cause a little extra EPO production, and therefore it could be an advantage?' Well..............And I would reply:

What part of the below don't you understand???

"T3 and T4 are released into the blood stream and are transported throughout the body where they control metabolism (conversion of oxygen and calories to energy). Every cell in the body depends upon thyroid hormones for regulation of their metabolism."

Read that again. EVERY CELL IN THE BODY. So...........what does that tell you sherlock??? That Thyroid Hormone does a LOT more than get the body to produce EPO. Therefore, just because one could theoretically say that increased thyroid hormone might be advantageous in the isolated consideration of increased EPO production, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER BILLION CELLS/FUNCTIONS OF THE BODY SMART GUY?????

Since you are so good at web research, I am sure stumbled onto these facts of increased levels of thyroid hormone:

" Patients with hyperthyroidism usually experience fatigue at the end of the day, but have trouble sleeping. Trembling of the hands and a hard or irregular heartbeat (called palpitations) may develop. These individuals may become irritable and easily upset. When hyperthyroidism is severe, patients can suffer shortness of breath, chest pain, and muscle weakness.

Typical Symptoms/signs:

Fast heart rate

Trembling hands

Weight loss

Muscle weakness

Warm moist skin

Hair loss

Staring gaze "

"FAST HEART RATE .... MUSCLE WEAKNESS....FATIGUE......TROUBLE SLEEPING.....IRREGULAR HEART RATE..." Yeah, this is totally what a distance runner would want. It CERTAINLY would be worth a slight increase in EPO production.........sure it would.

My resting heart rate went from 50's to 100 because of my increased levels of thyroid hormone. Oh yes, I was so lucky indeed to have those increased levels.

You sir, are a total idiot and a troll and a hater. You've been stomped, now get the hell out of here.

USADA wouldn't hit you for a positive EPO test because you would not have any synthetic EPO in you, just the elevated levels of natural EPO from the synthroid. There is no way to test for high natural EPO levels.

(That's all assuming synthroid does cause the body to produce EPO to a point of benefit, which I am quite undecided on.)

Does anyone know what connection Salazar has to this guy?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/md.htm

You are talking about HYPERthyroidism

They are talking about HYPOthyroidism.

A 180-degree difference.

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Apparently you missed all of the studies that were cited? Maybe you did not comprehend what they stated, the results were not theoretical.

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Silverback wrote:

USADA wouldn't hit you for a positive EPO test because you would not have any synthetic EPO in you, just the elevated levels of natural EPO from the synthroid. There is no way to test for high natural EPO levels.

(That's all assuming synthroid does cause the body to produce EPO to a point of benefit, which I am quite undecided on.)

I didn't say they would have hit me with a positive EPO test. I'm saying that if the thryoid hormone that people take for hypothyroidism was know to be a performace enhancer (i.e. it boosts your EPO artificially), then USASA would make the thyroid hormone a banned substance, which it obviously has never done.

You are assuming that synthroid is the drug which is being administered, perhaps this is not the case.

In the case of case of Rupp, you have an athlete who uses an altitude tent (slated for possible banning by WADA), a diagnosis of asthma for which an inhaler is prescribed and now diagnosis of hypothyroidism for which some type of drug treament is administered - if administered correctly has been proven to boost EPO levels. Adding to this situation, you have the coach who has been dogged by drug allegations throughout his career as an athlete and coach. This is clearly a pattern.

Californian, obviously assumes that the drug that he is taking is the same drug and regimen that is being administered to Rupp and Goucher. Hypothyroidism can be diagnosed by a routine blood test at any doctor's office, with no need to fly to Houston to see a doctor. At worst, a blood test would be done locally and the results would then be sent to a specialist.

There is something fishy in Oregon.

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