Sadie Engelhardt Says She is Running all the CIF Meets & Arcadia

So different from Brosnan who had his athletes ditch the high school team when they were favorites to win the team state championship so that they could run races that would give him more exposure.

The WA now accepts the mile to qualify for the 1500m - new rule starting in 2023. So Sadie and all others can run a mile to qualify.

They didn't ditch their HS team until their senior year. Sadie is still a junior, so let's see what she does next year.

That wasn't Brosnan's decision. His athletes made their own decisions. Some ran on their own, and some continued to run for the school.

And sadly, Newbury Park never won a state championship as a team in track

This sounds like a plan...but what if she is dq'd and can't run the CIS meets. Pretty obvious the OP on the other thread will file complaint with the bureaucrats.

With 2:03 4:09 and perhaps faster, she will qualify for Usatf trials. Good experience for her, but not a threat for the team.

There really isn't a bad outcome here. If she did have to run from now on unattached, there are plenty of meets to run and she's now fast enough to compete. She could even enroll early at NC State and get some college out of the way early.

Best of luck to her

NP kids ran college meets and CIF meets for years under Brosnan. It was only the Young twins that didn’t run CIF meets.

The Rossi Relays and Spring Break college meets were regularly attended by NP starting back in Brosnan’s first couple of years.

But not the 1600 which is what High Schoolers in CA run.

B standards are 4:12 and 2:03.50

CIF changed the rules against this last year. A email was sent out last year to heady coaches and AD’s.

Sadie definitely broke the obvious rules here

That is the 1500 standard, not the 1600 standard for which there isn't one.

I think the point was that she already has the B Standard for Trials with her time from the Sound event. Unless her time falls outside of the top 36 I dont see why it matters if she has to run 1600's the rest of the year.

Got it. If only there were words to say that. Oh wait, you just did. Thanks.

You tried and failed to make this point in the other thread. You should probably just move on. It's pretty clear that she is eligible to run CIF right now.

4:09.70 might get Sadie into the top 36 women in the country, but it might not.

Also, regarding the possibility of her running the mile instead of a 1500 to get a qualifying time, the 3 big high school national meets in June (Brooks PR, Nike, and New Balance) typically have a mile, not a 1600. But all 3 of those meets are AFTER the June 9 USATF deadline. So Sadie running a fast time in the mile at one of those meets won't help her get into the Olympic Trials.

So she would have to find another mile at another meet somewhere.

Most pro meets will have a 1500, not a mile, so Sadie will probably run another 1500 at a pro meet and try to better her 4:09.70 time.

They have the mile at Arcadia on 4/6. She normally competes there.

Yes, she might do the mile at Arcadia. But she would need to run faster than 4:31 to even meet the "B" standard for the Olympic Trials. The "A" standard is 4:25. Those are some really fast times for a high school girl.

In any case, it would be interesting to see her try.

Sadie is one of those rarities that is just way too good to be competing against high school kids alone.

Normally I don't think it's fair to other kids when a kid on the team just sort of does as they wish but Sadie is one of a small handful of girls, who kind of needs to do this.

I guess it doesn't really matter what she does for XC as long as she's having fun and being challenged. She's not as dominant in XC and has chosen the college route so she will probably come back.

it probably wont end up as a top 36 time in the country but historically there are usually several women with times closer to 4:13-15 who get in to fill out the field when faster athletes decide to do other events. I dont see any way a 4:09 can't get in as a field filler. Ellie Shea raced the trials last year in the 1500 with a 4:14 PB