The record is not clean. Where have you been? Are you a teenager who has just come to T&F? Koch and every East German athlete were pumped full of steroids. It's a fact. That's one of the reasons she looks like a man. But of course not as manly as Jarmila Kratochvílová who owns the 800M WR.
The crazy thing is that Jarmila Kratochvílová didn't even start taking drugs until she was around 28 years old and she didn't even try running the 800 until she was in her 30's. And her 800 world record wasn't even supposed to be a 800. She was planning to run a 200 that day and switched last minute to the 800.
If she had been taking drugs since her late teens like the East German women were, and she ran the 800 during her entire 20's, her world record in the 800 would have been a lot faster than 1:53.2.
It's a shame that World Athletics doesn't even appear to be trying to get these dirty women's records off the books.
I wasn't aware of Jarmila's history. A shame the 200M wasn't run. I would have liked to have seen the time.
WA won't do anything about those dirty records. It's an embarrassment for them. They are hoping that someone "clean" running in this era breaks them. I am amused when I think that one of these records will be broken by a DSD athlete. And what will WA do then? I was hoping Mboma would break the 200M by running a ridiculous time like sub 21 secs.
The crazy thing is that Jarmila Kratochvílová didn't even start taking drugs until she was around 28 years old and she didn't even try running the 800 until she was in her 30's. And her 800 world record wasn't even supposed to be a 800. She was planning to run a 200 that day and switched last minute to the 800.
If she had been taking drugs since her late teens like the East German women were, and she ran the 800 during her entire 20's, her world record in the 800 would have been a lot faster than 1:53.2.
It's a shame that World Athletics doesn't even appear to be trying to get these dirty women's records off the books.
I wasn't aware of Jarmila's history. A shame the 200M wasn't run. I would have liked to have seen the time.
WA won't do anything about those dirty records. It's an embarrassment for them. They are hoping that someone "clean" running in this era breaks them.
I am amused when I think that one of these records will be broken by a DSD athlete. And what will WA do then? I was hoping Mboma would break the 200M by running a ridiculous time like sub 21 secs.
Jarmila did run some fast 200's that year but that day she was feeling too tight and thought she might pull a muscle if she sprinted all out, so she decided to run a longer than usual event just so that she wouldn't have to sprint. Which ended up being an accidentally world record in the 800.
I don't think replacing a world record set by a drugged woman with a world record set by a biological male is an improvement.
Unfortunately, Sebastian Coe set some world records during that same era, and I don't think he wants to call attention to world records set by people on drugs during the 1980's, because that would call into question his own world records.
I think that nothing will be done for another two decades, after all the athletes from that era are dead, and they aren't here to protest their world records being taking away from them.
Koch was clearly dirty, but Kratochvilova (aka Roger Daltrey) was pure as the driven snow.
I made previous posts about this. But I have to correct myself because Koch never tested positive. Even if she was on steroids she would have had to have been on the most perfect 400 meter game-plan to run that fast.
Seems like breaking 47.60 is a physical impossibility at this point. Probably won't be broken for another few hundred years. To break it a person would have to run like 47.4 which just seems too crazy right now. The only way I see that happening is somehow a huge gust of wind started on the last 100 meters but was calm on the first 300.
Koch probably did a 4 by 200 exactly 96 hours before race time which is the exact sequence of events to produce the best 400 times and the exact amount of hours to rest before the 400.
Rest times were probably 2:30, 5:00, 2:30.. Which is also the best sequence of events for rest times. She probably ran that workout tons of times and added up the times and tried to beat her previous total time which is also the best way to do it.
So kind of crazy that she knew this back then somehow and put it all together to even be able to run that fast.
Damn I don't want to be giving away too much free info though. This is info that 90 percent of 400 runners don't know.
Koch was clearly dirty, but Kratochvilova (aka Roger Daltrey) was pure as the driven snow.
I made previous posts about this. But I have to correct myself because Koch never tested positive. Even if she was on steroids she would have had to have been on the most perfect 400 meter game-plan to run that fast.
Seems like breaking 47.60 is a physical impossibility at this point. Probably won't be broken for another few hundred years. To break it a person would have to run like 47.4 which just seems too crazy right now. The only way I see that happening is somehow a huge gust of wind started on the last 100 meters but was calm on the first 300.
Koch probably did a 4 by 200 exactly 96 hours before race time which is the exact sequence of events to produce the best 400 times and the exact amount of hours to rest before the 400.
Rest times were probably 2:30, 5:00, 2:30.. Which is also the best sequence of events for rest times. She probably ran that workout tons of times and added up the times and tried to beat her previous total time which is also the best way to do it.
So kind of crazy that she knew this back then somehow and put it all together to even be able to run that fast.
Damn I don't want to be giving away too much free info though. This is info that 90 percent of 400 runners don't know.
Nor did Marion Jones test positive
Nor did Lance Armstrong test positive
Nor did Flo-Jo test positive
Nor did Gatlin test positive after his return from being banned.
Seems like breaking 47.60 is a physical impossibility at this point. Probably won't be broken for another few hundred years. To break it a person would have to run like 47.4 which just seems too crazy right now. The only way I see that happening is somehow a huge gust of wind started on the last 100 meters but was calm on the first 300.
I agree. The greatest value of the 47.60 is watching the tape and grasping the absurdity that it can be broken, including the nutcase claims regarding Sydney McLaughlin last year.
It would have to be at altitude and a freakish situation, as you described.
BTW, there is a swimming example of that. Sarah Sjostrom in 2014 took the women's 50 butterfly world record all the way down from 25.07 to 24.43. It hasn't been threatened subsequently and isn't expected to go down within the next 30+ years. Sjostrom remains the only female ever to go under 25 seconds. She has done it roughly 30 times. The world record was an outdoor pool with huge tailwind. Unlike track, there isn't a wind consideration in swimming.
Seems like breaking 47.60 is a physical impossibility at this point. Probably won't be broken for another few hundred years. To break it a person would have to run like 47.4 which just seems too crazy right now. The only way I see that happening is somehow a huge gust of wind started on the last 100 meters but was calm on the first 300.
I agree. The greatest value of the 47.60 is watching the tape and grasping the absurdity that it can be broken, including the nutcase claims regarding Sydney McLaughlin last year.
It would have to be at altitude and a freakish situation, as you described.
BTW, there is a swimming example of that. Sarah Sjostrom in 2014 took the women's 50 butterfly world record all the way down from 25.07 to 24.43. It hasn't been threatened subsequently and isn't expected to go down within the next 30+ years. Sjostrom remains the only female ever to go under 25 seconds. She has done it roughly 30 times. The world record was an outdoor pool with huge tailwind. Unlike track, there isn't a wind consideration in swimming.
Regarding the women's 400 meters world record, it's been noted before, but Canberra really does have some altitude/thinner air. Marita didn't have to run rounds. Olga was in the form of her life, behind Marita and P.T. Usha had been close to breaking 52 seconds. Clearly re-claiming the world record was massive motivation for Marita. ...and it was The World Cup...which was big back then. ...and also all of the East German's were using optimal amounts of drugs, because urine tests could be easily cheated and there were no blood tests yet. . Finally, I think Marita knew by then, that she'd likely have retired by 2000 - and wanted to set a 400 meter world record IN Australia, in the vain hope that she'd be remembered by Aussies, when Cathy Freeman won the gold at the 2000 Olympics in 49.11 seconds. - Of course Marita seems to have been naturally-gifted too and well-trained. She started under Wolfgang Meier at 15 and he chased her around Rostock. Meier was previously a naval engineer and was always asking Marita about her belly-button. They eventually married in early 1987 and unfortunately Marita badly injured her achillies during their honey-moon in Dresden, and had to retire. They went on to have a daughter Ulrike, who is a cancer..
False. My boss just convincingly argued that Cierpinski was clean.
Your boss could probably convincingly argue that he's also doing it with your wife and you're ok with that.
sorry about your wife. Is she a sport ? By the way, highly unlikely Cierpinski was 'clean', but I'll tell you who IS clean: Rolanda Bell - she's the 3000 steeplechaser from Panama, who mistook the water-jump for a canal and went in head-first. It impacted her race...but lead to sponsorships for the under-side of her shoes - and also her bald-spot.
I wasn't aware of Jarmila's history. A shame the 200M wasn't run. I would have liked to have seen the time.
WA won't do anything about those dirty records. It's an embarrassment for them. They are hoping that someone "clean" running in this era breaks them.
I am amused when I think that one of these records will be broken by a DSD athlete. And what will WA do then? I was hoping Mboma would break the 200M by running a ridiculous time like sub 21 secs.
Jarmila did run some fast 200's that year but that day she was feeling too tight and thought she might pull a muscle if she sprinted all out, so she decided to run a longer than usual event just so that she wouldn't have to sprint. Which ended up being an accidentally world record in the 800.
I don't think replacing a world record set by a drugged woman with a world record set by a biological male is an improvement.
Unfortunately, Sebastian Coe set some world records during that same era, and I don't think he wants to call attention to world records set by people on drugs during the 1980's, because that would call into question his own world records.
I think that nothing will be done for another two decades, after all the athletes from that era are dead, and they aren't here to protest their world records being taking away from them.
Especially when Coe's own WR lasted decades and was actually the more shocking of the two marks, it is sometimes forgotten that Jarmila's margin of improvement in the WR was quite small (0.15s vs 1.67s for Seb). I can still remember reading about Coe's time in the newspaper and thinking that I'd found 1.42 hard enough to believe...
Are we supposed to believe that all those American sprinters who are a lot more musclar than Koch ever was are clean?
WOW ! ...I see how this works. ...did I mention Americans ? 'musclar' or otherwise ? Lillie Leatherwood was the American in the 400 world record race. Does she seem more muscular than Marita ? Lillie was tall and slender and never broke 49 seconds - but apparently did break the heart of her ex-husband, the late Emmit King. He couldn't get Leatherwood and so they drifted. Yes, I am sure Valerie Brisco and most Americans were on drugs...maybe even Lillie and the late Dr. King. I was just pointing out some of the one-percenters that possibly contributed to Marita's uniquely fast time. I don't approve of drugs, but it was a different era. Like the venue of Marita's run in Canberra used to be named 'Bruce Stadium', but now it's called 'Caitlyn Stadium'.
Sorry I am comparing Seb with his predecessor and condensed both his marks
1:43.4 1:43.44 Alberto Juantorena (CUB) 1977-08-21 Sofia, Bulgaria[1] 1:42.4 1:42.33 Sebastian Coe (GBR) 1979-07-05 Oslo, Norway[1] 1:41.73 Sebastian Coe (GBR) 1981-06-10 Florence, Italy[1]
...of course, anyone who's followed athletics knows that steroids ultimately benefited the performances of WOMEN, more than men. ...so maybe Lord Coe could try bringing the world together at the Paris Olympic opening ceremony, by announcing that only the women's records will be deleted - for the benefit of all mankind. only 124 more sleeps ! - have you seen the Olympic Torch design? ...jeepers, talk about unifying!