What has Wightman done that Jakob has not done?

not defaced his body with childish scribbles 🤔

A: knocked up Jakob’s wife

Things Wightman has done that Jakob hasn't:

1) Won a World Champs 1500m Gold
2) Run under any of 1:46, 1:45, 1:44 & 1:43.7
3) Broken either 50s or 49s for 400
4) Has his Nation's 800m Record
5) Has his Nation's 1000m Record
6) Won a European U20 1500m Champs
7) Beaten a better level of domestic field for National titles
8) Got the quicker Road Mile time
9) Has a kick in races
10) Has a normal sized ego
11) Is able to run at all currently

12.) had his Dad as the stadium announcer when he became world champion

Get beaten by Hobbs Kessler.

Some of this seems to be correct (only a couple of a little bias things), but what you are really saying here is that two guys aren’t exactly identical -OK in my book if you ask me… (And I also think you could agree that number 2 and 3 (partly) and 5,6,8,9,11 and yes even 1 pretty easily (by coincidence or debate) could have been erased…) Number 4 I think must be amnesia (ever heard of Seb Coe?)… Same goes for 5… (although Jake slightly better than Coe here indoors, if you meant but forgot to add).

Number 7: Did you know that Jakob beat Sondre Nordstad Moen in the 5000m National champs (a guy who had far far better pb than Jakob in the 5000m)..!? Sondre also ran a stellar half marathon that year and became the best ever white man in the marathon (same year)… Jakob was 16, and won also steeplechase and the 1500m in the same champs (third in the 800m -yeah! -not as good as 28 years old Wightman!).

Number 10: Here I also agree -Jake seems intelligent and authentic. -He is positioning himself very good both in a field and in a debate. Saying that I think it would be strange and boring if Jakob (and everyone) were all the same -Jakob is entitled to be a little high on himself after such a stellar season (despite chronic injuries and unfortunate sickness), as long as his natural and sound narcissism doesn’t turn malign. When it comes to Kerr I think he is borderline entitled -just needs to achieve a sec or two faster in the 1500m and some more wins….

PS. Guess you watched the 1500m Euros U20 -number 6- (the huge favourite-Jakob- fell, and placed 8th in his specialty, but won everything else he participated in -easily; wonder if he might have won even his specialty, do we..?

5. Yes, brother Filip got the National record in the 1000m. But Jakob, who never has run the distance, has a better pb in 800 and 1500m. -Do you think this record is out of reach for Jakob.

And so on, and so on… But I think only 4,5,7,9 and 11 are factually wrong. -Nice sum up, BrainCell(s)…

Imagine being upset about what another man does with their body. Stop staring at his body, dude.

His nation is Scotland.

I was never trying to say if they were identical, I was just trying to answer the question directly. Obviously we all know Jake is an 800-15 guy whereas Jakob is a 15-5000 guy.

Admittedly I messed up 4&5, as I was checking Jake had run quicker + Jakob doesn't hold those records. The point stands that Jake is more accomplished at both those distances.

7: You cannot genuinely try and make any point about Jakob racing against Moen (or throw in Nordas too), when Wightman has to compete regularly with Kerr, Gourley, Mills, Giles, Grice, Stonier, etc etc. Ridiculous.

You think 9 & 11 are factually wrong but it's been talked about over and over and over on these message boards and LR podcast how Jakob famously has no kick and has lost Championships (including to Wightman) because of it. Aside from the fact it was a bit of a joke about him not running, we've all just seen the NRK interview where Jakob hasn't run for 4months and is only able to do some light treadmill jogging so why waste your time arguing about that point

Has run a 15.37 5000m that still is his pb…

Strange -his suite has a huge and visible “Great Britain” in every champs…

I cant tell if this is a joke but all of these things are either not important or Jakob has done the same things if not better in other events.

Every champs?

Accurate list. I wouldn't include number 9 though myself.

Jakob has probably closed faster than Wightman in the majority of their races. On fresh legs, Wightman is obviously faster but it rarely shows at the end of a race.

Worlds 2022 might have been the only time. However, their final 200m in that race must have been pretty similar since the gap between them didn't grow.

So I don't believe there's a strong case for Wightman having a much better kick than Jakob. Even in slower races! Jakob outkicked Wightman at Europeans in 2018. That was a 3:38 race and Wightman had an 800m PB of 1:44 at the time.

Okey, every international champs. But if the times ran by Scots are officially considered National records: fine by me. I’m not against this at all, and of course stand corrected.

You wrote a funny post, and I Iaughed! But the problem here is that a lot of Lrc readers think these things are true even when they are presented in the way you do.

F.ex that Jakob has no kick, when he obviously is the best kicker in the game, practically speaking, (check Oly 2021, all the Diamond leagues, Euros ++), whereas Wightman (in addition to WC 2022 which hardly can be called a kick -he won on a tad more in the tank than Jakob at the end that day) only (to my knowledge) has one race on the highest level won by a kick (Bislett games Diamond league 2017 -really impressive)…

But if you define kick as an up speeding only at the end of a slow race, you might theoretically be right, and fast 800m runners like Wightman and Cheruiyot are the kickers (and not Jakob because of slow 800m pb), but when did you last time watch Jakob in such a slow outdoor race? He even has the best kick in the medium fast races, f.ex semi finals, because of being less exhausted…

Another problem is that you cherry pick things Jake has accomplished and Jakob not. -This makes of course your post fun to read, but one can also read it as serious claims of Jakob inferiority (f.ex lack of 1500m WC title) -Jake’s and Josh’s global wins are used against Jakob as if he hasn’t a global win himself (Olympics 2021). What do you think the two Scots would have answered if they could have changed their WC wins in 3.29 with an Olympic gold in 3.28..?

Jakob is a big mouth, and I think it’s totally OK to make some fun of him as an answer. But a lot of posters on this forum seem to believe a lot of obviously incorrect negative things about him, f.ex that he wasn’t sick during both finals in the WC. And that he can’t kick. And that he is extremely slow in an 800m, and doesn’t know anything about the right way to run in a championship, or his own weaknesses as a runner. Very strange when he has explained him self thoroughly in a multiple of interviews…

Very good that you admit some mistakes when it comes to 800 / 1000m National records. And I can on the other hand admit that Jake is superior in these two distances. But when you listed Jake as National record holder here, and Jakob not, the impression is this very incorrect one: “Jake is the record holder in a huge, runner famous country, whereas Jakob can’t even break these records in little backwards Norway.” -The truth is this: Jake is nearly 2 sec behind Coe in the 800m, and only a little nearer in the 1000m. And Jakob could obviously at any given day break the Norwegian 1000m record, whereas the 800m record is so good that even Wightman would be a whole second shy (Vebjørn Rodahl 1.42.58 -Olympic record until Rudisha’s days).

Futhermore: You were the one who was claiming only listing formal facts. But then I must be allowed to point to whose who are formally and factually false, and pose contradictory facts, to show how ridiculous formal facts can be (f.ex Jake’s pb 15.37 -of course he wouldn’t let him self be beaten by one k in a 5 k against Jakob).

You switch conveniently to an informal approach when I show you the consequences of being meaningless factual, and that this can be of course also flipped (against Jake, pro Jakob). Because what I wrote was factually extremely accurate: Jakob has factually raced and beaten a Norwegian runner (In National champs) with far better credentials (at the distance). So your statement here was factually false. But now you are saying that we must look at the reality behind the facts, and that that makes a totally different picture -and yes, I fully agree. But almost every of your formal points will then also be ridiculed by reality, f.ex: Yes, Jakob hasn’t run sub 50 in a 400m race (not even sub 51) -but you know as well as I that he could easily do this. And that he could easily have won 1500m in the Euro U20, and broken the National 1000m record, and won the WC 2023 1500m (easily) if not being sick, and also is a person that is far more interesting than just “being a huge ego”…

I don’t get your point about Jake being up against fiercer National competition than Jakob -I thought you meant that he against all odds beat his fellow (better) countrymen in the 800m, and thought that was a good point. But know you are listing a lot of names without naming the 800m specifically, so now I’m a little puzzled: Do you pose that Jakob’s National competition is inferior? Among others he is up against his brothers (Multiple Euro champions, 5th placing in the Olympics, bronze in the WC) and Nordås (also bronze in the WC, and would even maybe have won if started his sprint 10 meters earlier)… Who (except of Kerr) of your mentioned British athletes can match these three..?

Lastly: There’s one important thing Jake has that Jakob (nor anybody else, that I know of) hasn’t -Jake has a shifting ability (shown in his first sub 3.30 race in 2020, although behind Jakob and Tim, and in the WC 2022). This ability is really interesting, and a huge advantage, although it isn’t a kick per ce (only last 20 meters or so). Both Jake and Jakob are stellar athletes and in 2022 Jake was only a fraction behind Jakob’s season best, and his 1.43 matched Jakob’s achievements in other distances..

But Jakob’s 2023 progress is stellar at another level -now he isn’t even in the same solar system as Jake and Josh. One have to compare him to athletes in other events; Kipchoge, Kiptum, Girma, Kipyegon, Gidey, Kiplimo, Kandie, (maybe Nuguse), Tsegay and a few more…

Kerr and Wightman are runners up, along with a lot of other guys; nothing more, nothing less. They might surpass Jakob and even be Goats, who knows. Time will show… This is what you British/Scots can hope for. But your guys aren’t there yet -not at all!

A PS here, because I forgot a couple of points: You said something about Jakob not being able to run at all. -But that was also inaccurate, and old news: If you had read all the translated newspaper interviews you would f.ex seen a recent 5 x 6 min intervals by the guy…

And again: You stress a fierce competition for Wightman at home, and stripped down to reality only Kerr seems more competitive than the Norwegians (Jakob must face). -Nordås ran a much faster last lap than Kerr (WC), and also beat him easily in the fast race at Bislett. And you also seem to build far too much on Kerr’s WC win ( one could make an argument that his Oly bronze was better -a faster race- and facts are that he beat a sick favourite that did most of the work, and hardly beat another Norwegian (Nordås) that only months before had a 3.36 pb… And when Kerr says he doesn’t know who is the best time trailer of him and Jakob: There were plenty of time trails in 2023 -at Bislett Kerr was one of the few elites that couldn’t go sub 3.30 and at Lausanne he had the draft from Jakob’s back all the way, and then was easily out kicked on the home straight, even by a steeplechase specialist who ran his first 1500m ever…

Jakob fanatics like you are completely insufferable

Norway’s most famous play writer, Henrik Ibsen, says: “If you take the lie away from the common man you also ruin his happiness”…