Meditiate your way to faster times

You don't understand, nor will you (until you drop the

juvenile crap).

Yes, you can meditate while running (and white N. A.

Buddhist monks may meditate while running in front of

their hut in the Thai forest).

But the running is subservient to the meditation.

Running fast exists in ego driven space-time. Meditation

seeks to erode the strength, intensity and very existence

of ego.

So make your choice.

Freddie,

You state that meditating on nothingness or an apple sounds quite silly. Well of course it is. The passion those on the board know you for is that of your running. So, the best we could assume is that you meditate on something that will make you a better runner. What has made sense for a while to me now is that the study of the body and the resulting knowledge gained from it results in a more refined and ultimately faster runner and overall athlete. Possibly you could more easily direct your focus into that similar to a meditative state if you did an open eye meditation while sitting in the ancient egyptian style, straight back chair with palms on your thighs or knees, as opposed to the lotus styled position, which I find pretty uncomfortable after a while.

Lately, staring at da Vinci's Vitruvian man, and all of the variations on the theme that Drunvalo Melchizedek exams in his two Flower of Life volumes has told me many stories. Gazing through the manifested vision of a man of such magnitude as Leonardo can be a powerful experience. All possible movements of man are in that picture, you could look through it for an hour a day the rest of your life and never see the same story. Let me personally reassure you that these stories played out by that canonized man will grip you more powerfully than the story of an apple can, at this point in your life anyway, if you should ever want to study fruit an apple would do.

Another piece or two worth study are the busts of da Vinci, done by himself, and Michelangelo, by Voltaire. They are strikingly similar, as was their vision. A man's life story is told by his face and because of this you have an autobiography from Leonardo drawn when he was fully mature, and a biography of Michelangelo done by Voltaire when the subject was well into his manhood as well.

Your immediate vision of reality tends to effect your emotion, which in turn has an effect on the body and especially the facial muscles. Because of the interdependecy that exists between these three mediums, I find it reasonable to expect you can manipulate the facial and other bodily muscles to mirror those of whoever you are studying, and eventually your emotional state, or possibly lack thereof as I'm finding in these two renaissance men, will mirror that of your study and put you in a state of mind that has potential to access vision of a similar acuity.

I've read of accounts where Leonardo would stare at his works for several hours straight with fierce intensity, then finally he would go and make a small adjustment and leave. According to the movie on Jackson Pollock, he employed a similar gaze when dealing with his works. In another field, Mario Andretti's face proves he's accessed periods of similar vision, though his vision was of lines on a track to follow for the most efficient route, as opposed to Michelangelo's economy of movement with lines that bring life to pictures. I've read of many others who have quite a penetrating gaze, Ayn Rand looked right through people, anyways it's not necessary to keeping naming people. The point here is that the longer and steadier you can access these states the farther you will see. The farther you can see, the more efficient your training will be.

Zipperman,

That is some of the how and why I do it.

Monty,

I forgot to mention in that last post, but if you are serious about your methods of study you might check out vriptech.com.

Legalizit,

Glad you responded. I'm surprised it took you so long. I'm all for the meditation and wasn't making fun, just so you know.

Zipperman,

It's somewhat flattering you started this thread in the manner you did, hopefully you really have tried and will continue to employ what you said... Anyways it took a while to respond because formulating a satisfying post on this subject doesn't come easy. That's one of the problems I have with the board, by the time I've found fitting words for my view the thread has often dried up. Once that happens, bombs can be dropped and nobody even flinches.

Thanks Legalizit, I'll be doing that.

Monty

Well Legalizit, that is a very colourful and fantasitic site. I wonder how many other people on this board would be interested in such things. Not too many I imagine...

Monty

Does weed have any function. To a runner, no. Stoned, you

might see that society and culture are arbitrary constructs,

or that the fiction of the self is conditioned since birth.

A door is opened a crack, but chemicals will not open it

the rest of the way. Only real meditation will do that.

I think some of the people on this thread are arbitrary constructs.

Legalizit,

I use it big time. Gotta do the training too, but meditation has led me to some better races for sure. It's a part of the preparation.

Fred,

If you "your self" is a fiction how are we even communicating? Come on! The Earth is full of all types of life, vegitation life, human life, etc. To survive life on this Earth eats. If you think you have no self fred then quit eating and see how long you can last until your self kicks you in the Butt to hunt it down some food. The individual does exist! The focused individual gets more than the unfocused individual. Is running everything? To some it may be. I would propose that serving those in need is the most noble of task, helping our fellows to grow to prosper, to be content. Sitting around and contemplating nothing results in nothing - it is the ultimate definition of the self serving the self. If you want to contemplate, meditate, then why not do so with a goal in mind. We have enough people involved in nothingness, find something to do, do it with all your might, nothing risked nothing gained, better to love and have lost than never to have loved at all. Live Fred Live !!! You really do exist.

Fred,

if you think my constructs are juvinle then shoot a hole in them. You calling them juvinile does not make them so. Tell us, show us, instruct us in the juvinileness of my reasoning.if you have understanding then enlighten us all with it. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am just stating that meditation on an object to obtain some sort of spiritual nirvana or to feel "loved and empowered" is plain idiotic no matter what philosophy or religion you adher to. It makes meditation and spirituality trivial. I don't negate the fact that one can find beauty in plain objects or works of art, but to meditate on them and then act spirituality superior is all spiritual-wannabee hogwash....

Zipperman,

Nice. Does anybody else suspect more sprinters smoke on average than distance runners? I'd be interested to hear any of their thoughts on how it effects their vision of running at high speeds. How long was the race where you felt you ran faster because of your increasted mental acuteness?

At that site above you'll find some nice equipment. It's about a 200 - 275 dollar investment depending on if you drive an old beat up Honda Civic that gets 60mpg! or a new Mustang Cobra. You'll have to do the numbers to see how long until it paid off financially, but the health benefits are immediate. The amount of toxins that are entering your body is significantly less, though certainly not completely eliminated. You'll find with a vaporizer it takes half as much of your product of choice to put you in the same mental state, so that's where you can figure out how long until you are out of the red on your investment. This is already way too much of a commercial, but I know there are a lot of runners, in my experience much more so at the college level, that smoke that are also concerned with their lungs and other organs and feel that other than ignorance there is no reason not to use this technology over the most traditional of methods.

fred,

I certainly will not disagree with your reality.

Jim, you brought up the word nothingness and nothing, not

me. So you have already read or experienced something along

these lines, and want more. The information in the computer

is the fiction. Find out for yourself.

Fred,

I brought up nothing because I thought it sounded like you were asserting that one needed to get rid of the "self", or that the self was in some way bad. I do meditate, but I do so mindfully, with intent, to sometimes examine self, and circumstances. I practice Yoga as a exercise. I am currently involved in a Yoga Teacher Training program.

What do you mean by " the information on the computer is the fiction. Find out for yourself" ?

PEACE,

jIM

I know of a man who was unable to run for many years. Because one day when he was high on weed, he thought he was superman and tore the tendons in his knee up. Years later he thought, well since I injured it stoned maybe I can help get it back into running capacity stoned. So he toked up, and was able because of the relaxing effect of the weed to stretch out the knee. He started running stoned, and after a few weeks was able to run without the weed.

He found the weed helped in the healing of the injury. This was a serious injury that the medical professionals said, that without surgery this guy would never walk without a limp, and never run again.

Weed has a different effect on different individuals. Some people get mellow on it some get speeded up on it. The guy I am talking about got really speeded up on it. One day while on it he was training with a Kenyan who could reglarily leave him in the dust, they started running then increased the speed faster and faster they went until the Kenyan said thats enough as this guy was pulling away from the Kenyan. the guy said that he didn't even feel like he was going fast although he was in an all out sprint, leaving a Kenyan behind, so theres one sprinters view of how it affects speed and ones view of speed.

It blows that it has toxic side effects perhaps in "health brownies is the best way to injest the stuff.