OP throwing around “lifestyle brand” like it’s some sort of insult. being a lifestyle brand is how Nike make billions and they still manage to make decent running shoes.
If you run decent mileage Hokas probably aren’t ideal, you can get more aggressive trainers from Nike, Saucony, Asics etc and push the pace a bit more
but if you run super high volume and are looking for shoes that you can run 2 hours in regularly then it’s hard to beat Cliftons and you can put a lot of mileage into them
To high school coach: Which On shoes are your athletes wearing? Notice how you say they switched to the Brooks Ghost and not just Brooks? Brooks is a brand, Brooks Ghost is a shoe. Turns out On makes a lot of different shoes, just like Brooks. Likely your kid bought a shoe because it looked cool and you have no idea how to guide them to the right shoe.
If you run decent mileage Hokas probably aren’t ideal, you can get more aggressive trainers from Nike, Saucony, Asics etc and push the pace a bit more
but if you run super high volume and are looking for shoes that you can run 2 hours in regularly then it’s hard to beat Cliftons and you can put a lot of mileage into them
You're conflating their lifestyle shoes with their actual performance running shoes. The Cloudsurfer, Cloudstratus, Cloudmonster, Cloudeclispse, and Cloudboom Echo 3 are proper trainers/supershoes. They've made serious strides. Look at any OAC athlete's instagram and see what they're training in and try em out. They're way different than the ones you see on the streets/worn by moms (generally the cloud 5 which they don't even market as a running shoe)
Because pros always show what they are actually training in on Instagram. Tell me you are gullible without actually doing so...
I have seen On pro runner training in them at the track.
Stop spreading fake news. Every single OAC athlete wears On shoes for every single session.
Only when the camera is one. This has been known for a while now. Even Dathan’s daughter doesn’t always wear ON. When your Dad is running the AOC and you chose other brands that tells up something
Oh thanks for the info. For a minute there I thought a teenage girl not wearing the shoes that her dad does was normal. Now I know it tells us something.
Likely lighter than you, and have run decently over the full and half, nothing special though. If I prioritized training over a full could probably go a few minutes quicker.
Their super shoe is doing quite well in the elite triathlon scene
People resist the possibility that new things can be good. Everyone here is trashing, Hoka, On, sketchers...
If its new it must not be good?
We are on 3rd pair of Ons, far and away the best shoe.
If a HS coach has all his kids getting injured in a shoe, that's a training issue. Kids wore Patricks and Addidas with 2 mm of vulcanized rubber in the early 70s.
As per usual, this post will be too long for LetsRun surfers to actually read (understandably so), and thus will be scrolled over, but I'll indulge anyways...
I've worked in run specialty for over ten years. Keeping in mind here that there are folks out there (bizarrely enough) who truly find that a pair of Altras, Sketchers, Atreyu, Newton, On's, etc., are the best fit for their foot. That said - statistically speaking, when given the option to try on New Balance, Brooks, Hoka, Saucony, Asics, and Nike, I've found On to be less-preferred by your 'average customer' who has had the opportunity to try on other brands side-by-side. I'll approach this post from a sales observation standpoint.
Additionally - let's try to separate facts from feeling. I love what On has done for the professional side of the sport. Sponsoring OAC and building a successful US-based team is AWESOME for running in many ways! They've increased fan engagement, and have helped to successfully launch the careers of budding American stars like Monson, Klecker, and Nuguse (and Ritz's coaching career.) That said - just because they've done wonderful things for the sport, doesn't mean we have to pretend that the product itself is there yet from a quality standpoint.
On has come a long ways in quality since their initial models. I remember a friend who'd received one of their first couple models years back - he tried running 'actual' mileage in them and was literally crushing through the 'pods' in less than 200 miles (this was likely a defect, but still.) As in the midsole cells were actually breaking. While this is no longer the case, I feel that the brand still has a ways to go. They are however closing the gap. A lot of this in my opinion has to do with their reluctance to move away from the gimmicky pods. The CloudMonster was, IMO, the first shoe of legitimate 'comfort'. It was the reason our store finally brought On in. The CloudSurfer is decent too - but notice that this is because they're finally transitioning to more of a traditional midsole without the pronounced cells. Their supershoe, the CloudBoom Echo is also decent - but again, that's because they've ditched the cells in that too...
The only shoe that seems to sell alright for us when getting compared to other models from other brands is the CloudMonster. My prediction is that as they continue to improve their design and ditch the gimmicky cells over time, they will pull even with some of the aforementioned brands in terms of actual performance from a comfort standpoint. I'm cheering for them to continue to improve as I think more choice in the market is a good thing.
Tl;dr - the majority of folks buying On's so far in our shop are still those that walk in asking for the shoe from the get-go. The CloudMonster is the only model that seems to hold its own once customers compare On's to other brands. While the brand is obviously doing great things for the sport, I think their somewhat 'gimmicky' cell design is holding them back slightly. The CloudSurfer represents a small departure from this. I'm hopeful for their continued progression from a product standpoint in the future, as it seems they're still slightly reluctant to move away from the cell 'aesthetic' that they were founded upon.
As per usual, this post will be too long for LetsRun surfers to actually read (understandably so), and thus will be scrolled over, but I'll indulge anyways...
I've worked in run specialty for over ten years. Keeping in mind here that there are folks out there (bizarrely enough) who truly find that a pair of Altras, Sketchers, Atreyu, Newton, On's, etc., are the best fit for their foot. That said - statistically speaking, when given the option to try on New Balance, Brooks, Hoka, Saucony, Asics, and Nike, I've found On to be less-preferred by your 'average customer' who has had the opportunity to try on other brands side-by-side. I'll approach this post from a sales observation standpoint.
Additionally - let's try to separate facts from feeling. I love what On has done for the professional side of the sport. Sponsoring OAC and building a successful US-based team is AWESOME for running in many ways! They've increased fan engagement, and have helped to successfully launch the careers of budding American stars like Monson, Klecker, and Nuguse (and Ritz's coaching career.) That said - just because they've done wonderful things for the sport, doesn't mean we have to pretend that the product itself is there yet from a quality standpoint.
On has come a long ways in quality since their initial models. I remember a friend who'd received one of their first couple models years back - he tried running 'actual' mileage in them and was literally crushing through the 'pods' in less than 200 miles (this was likely a defect, but still.) As in the midsole cells were actually breaking. While this is no longer the case, I feel that the brand still has a ways to go. They are however closing the gap. A lot of this in my opinion has to do with their reluctance to move away from the gimmicky pods. The CloudMonster was, IMO, the first shoe of legitimate 'comfort'. It was the reason our store finally brought On in. The CloudSurfer is decent too - but notice that this is because they're finally transitioning to more of a traditional midsole without the pronounced cells. Their supershoe, the CloudBoom Echo is also decent - but again, that's because they've ditched the cells in that too...
The only shoe that seems to sell alright for us when getting compared to other models from other brands is the CloudMonster. My prediction is that as they continue to improve their design and ditch the gimmicky cells over time, they will pull even with some of the aforementioned brands in terms of actual performance from a comfort standpoint. I'm cheering for them to continue to improve as I think more choice in the market is a good thing.
Tl;dr - the majority of folks buying On's so far in our shop are still those that walk in asking for the shoe from the get-go. The CloudMonster is the only model that seems to hold its own once customers compare On's to other brands. While the brand is obviously doing great things for the sport, I think their somewhat 'gimmicky' cell design is holding them back slightly. The CloudSurfer represents a small departure from this. I'm hopeful for their continued progression from a product standpoint in the future, as it seems they're still slightly reluctant to move away from the cell 'aesthetic' that they were founded upon.
I just hope they don't ditch the cell concept / aesthetic ;)
As per usual, this post will be too long for LetsRun surfers to actually read (understandably so), and thus will be scrolled over, but I'll indulge anyways...
I've worked in run specialty for over ten years. Keeping in mind here that there are folks out there (bizarrely enough) who truly find that a pair of Altras, Sketchers, Atreyu, Newton, On's, etc., are the best fit for their foot. That said - statistically speaking, when given the option to try on New Balance, Brooks, Hoka, Saucony, Asics, and Nike, I've found On to be less-preferred by your 'average customer' who has had the opportunity to try on other brands side-by-side. I'll approach this post from a sales observation standpoint.
Additionally - let's try to separate facts from feeling. I love what On has done for the professional side of the sport. Sponsoring OAC and building a successful US-based team is AWESOME for running in many ways! They've increased fan engagement, and have helped to successfully launch the careers of budding American stars like Monson, Klecker, and Nuguse (and Ritz's coaching career.) That said - just because they've done wonderful things for the sport, doesn't mean we have to pretend that the product itself is there yet from a quality standpoint.
On has come a long ways in quality since their initial models. I remember a friend who'd received one of their first couple models years back - he tried running 'actual' mileage in them and was literally crushing through the 'pods' in less than 200 miles (this was likely a defect, but still.) As in the midsole cells were actually breaking. While this is no longer the case, I feel that the brand still has a ways to go. They are however closing the gap. A lot of this in my opinion has to do with their reluctance to move away from the gimmicky pods. The CloudMonster was, IMO, the first shoe of legitimate 'comfort'. It was the reason our store finally brought On in. The CloudSurfer is decent too - but notice that this is because they're finally transitioning to more of a traditional midsole without the pronounced cells. Their supershoe, the CloudBoom Echo is also decent - but again, that's because they've ditched the cells in that too...
The only shoe that seems to sell alright for us when getting compared to other models from other brands is the CloudMonster. My prediction is that as they continue to improve their design and ditch the gimmicky cells over time, they will pull even with some of the aforementioned brands in terms of actual performance from a comfort standpoint. I'm cheering for them to continue to improve as I think more choice in the market is a good thing.
Tl;dr - the majority of folks buying On's so far in our shop are still those that walk in asking for the shoe from the get-go. The CloudMonster is the only model that seems to hold its own once customers compare On's to other brands. While the brand is obviously doing great things for the sport, I think their somewhat 'gimmicky' cell design is holding them back slightly. The CloudSurfer represents a small departure from this. I'm hopeful for their continued progression from a product standpoint in the future, as it seems they're still slightly reluctant to move away from the cell 'aesthetic' that they were founded upon.
I just hope they don't ditch the cell concept / aesthetic ;)
The pointless Clouds are integral to their branding. They're reluctantly stuck with this 'tech'.
I had a car accident with disc herniations that caused pains in both my feet. Even after over 2 years of therapy, it turns out I needed good shoes to help. Not NB nor any Nke. ON shoes did the trick. They also last well over a year with normal everyday use. Don't know why you all want to rag on them.
I have never run in ON shoes, but their spikes seem to be loved. Did they just catch lightning in a bottle with those?
Everyone knows ON shoes suck so bad. Their on sponsored runners only wear them on video
I got myself a pair of ON Cloudultra runners. I absolutely love them. As an older runner that can't quite go as fast as I used to I really love the way they seem to get me up on my toes. They also feel like they get me the slightest bit off balance, but in a good way. I call them my proprioception-inducing runners. I think that the design mussy have had some forethought into where the centre of balance is.
I do not like the "sock" like feel of them, but the rest, I think is great.