Guys -- I'm desperate and about to quit running, because for the love of god I cannot fix my hip drop / pelvic drop (on both sid

Your running 'form' is actually ok. But you need to be running in more supportive shoes. That is your first port of call. Most of your issues may well disappear if you are in some decent shoes suited to you. Can't believe none of your therapists have asked you to look at that firstly. Maybe even some orthotics as well from a decent sports/running focused podiatrist but trying more supportive shoes in the first instance. Surely you have a specialist running shoe store somewhere in your area?? They will be able to help you out. Don't over complicate things - just having a decent 'platform' (ie shoes) will make big changes the whole way up your kinetic chain. My 2c for you coming from someone that has been running 40+ years, competed in 2 Olympic games in distance events, and coached numerous athletes the past 20years

I agree.

OP, I noticed that your treadmill belt has a lot of bounce in it. That might be contributing to some of the running issues we've discussed.

I personally don't like ON shoes because I pronate and the ON shoes are unstable for me. I couldn't fix them with the homemade orthotics I use. On that treadmill, you should consider something more like a race flat.

No, the book has no photos, but I've been thinking of making a short video to explain this process step by step. I'm not tech savvy about making videos, but I'll figure it out.

I'll try to make a video in the next couple of days and post it here when it's available. The process itself is very simple. Getting it right is a bit of trial and error and requires a certain amount of "foot awareness" to determine where, exactly, that you need support, but I'll explain a simple way to do that, too.

You will need scissors, tape, and a sheet or two of crafts felt... typically 12" x 12" and available at any crafts store and most Walmarts. Frankly, I've used styrofoam, cardboard, and strips of cloth in a pinch when I ran out of crafts felt, but crafts felt works best. It's firm enough to hold its shape as you work it, it has a slight rebound effect similar to foam, and it's thin enough that you can add one layer at a time to get exactly how much support you need.

A 12"x9" piece of crafts felt at Walmart is $.25 so you can buy a lot and experiment as much as you like.

This is Monday. If I don't run into problems making the video, I'll have a link to it here not later than Saturday.

I've taped cut up pieces of insoles from old shoes and even Dr Scholl's ball of foot pads to green Superfeet. I've tried sports tape, duct tape, masking tape, and leukotape, but prefer Durapore surgical tape and Curad waterproof first aid tape because they are easy to tear, stick but can be easily adjusted before setting, and aren't as affected by moisture in the shoe.

Thanks fisky! Looking forward to seeing it,

I'm just updating this thread to let you know that I haven't forgotten my pledge to make a video on how to make your own orthotics.

I've drafted the video and made the props so it will be easier to understand. I just HATE videos where the speaker rambles on and on so I want to make it brief, but also, I want to cover everything that's important.

I keep forgetting important things to say in my test runs.

I should be able to make the video Saturday or Sunday and post a link to it here.

Once you cut the pieces of felt, the process only takes a couple of minutes.

Okay, this is my first attempt ever at making a video. It shows how to make your own orthotics. Critique it. I'll probably try it again and answer any questions you have.

dropbox.com

OrthoticsDIY_2 - Made with Clipchamp_1696200288056.mp4

Shared with Dropbox

Link:www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tzn69ahhjeeny1v...

Same video but this time I stored it on Google Drive to see if it looks any different here. EDITED: Oh, yeah. This looks better than the file on Dropbox. I need to figure out how to get better audio on my phone. ...Or maybe I shouldn't film it in my laundry room! Ha.

Okay, I received a request to view the video. Apparently, there needs to be some setting changed to allow viewing.

I think I've got it set now for anyone with the link to view the video. If you can't view it, post here and let me know and I'll try to figure out how to set it so anyone with the link can view the video.

I've never done this before so bear with me.

For a first time video-maker, you did a great job! Really helpful video. Thanks for making it! Really appreciate it,

I found this. The coach at a local run club, when I asked him to check my form for whats causing low back pain, said my arms are too stiff. I can attach a video but atm I'm just procrastinating work and perusing the forums and found this.

Would arms forward, with very little movement, possibly cause low back pain? APT was the obvious culprint when searching the problem but I've been really watchful of that and I dont think I'm doing it.

How many miles and days are you trying to run per week and how old are you? As a practical matter we can improve our strength, flexibility, and balance but you can’t change your anatomy. Most of the form is just your natural way of going and it maybe you can only run 2-3 days a week supplemented with cross training. The most I was ever able to run was 25-30mpw without injury. As I got older it became less so I picked the type of workouts I liked best and did those on running days. It’s not perfect but I still get to enjoy running. Sometimes it’s accepting limitations and finding ways to still run. Not every body can tolerate the stresses. Your body is not the enemy so try to find a better balance and keep up on additional exercises.

I'm just a beginner going off bro science but I would think this applies to a lot of sports, including one as fundamental as weight lifting, but not running.

Id expect running to be way more tolerable universally. Fight mother nature or at least make sure she is firmly telling you no

Forces generated up the kinetic chain are 5-10 times body weight so not sure why you think running is different kind of stress from weight lifting. If you grew up as Maasai tribesman it may be different story but my guess is they have variability in who can do what too.

because running is natural

So because it's "natural" you can defy the laws of physics??? Weightlifting is natural too. It's all moving weight around. I don't get your point. In this case his body can handle the forces he's applying to it.

Yes, fisky is a lean machine and made a great first video. Appreciate you taking the time fisky!

dude relax i already said it was bro science