Maybe you don't know who Boot is. He holds the world record. He is taller than other sprinters. It is amazing that he could accomplish that since you said taller runners carry more weight and have a harder time getting to tope end speed. He likely would have run 8.9 if only he had been 5'3".
True, I don’t know who “Boot” is…
But I am guessing he had a pretty incredible 30-100.
Your hyperbolic “powerlifter-to-worldclass starter in two hours” assertion aside, I actually think you are making sense. But I question how much will resolve itself as she naturally evolves past her teenage years versus something that really needs to be addressed in the near-term.
Just better than her current start, which would be like being better than Shaquille O'Neal at free throws.
Thank you for consideration.
I'm skeptical that these problems resolve themselves. This season was the first one she was lifting during it. They didn't find the exercises with transference, and when she wasn't lifting in the previous years, they weren't fixing themselves. Likely, she's been cued improperly and now has a broken motor engram. I would spend a week trying to make any gains, fail, and then switch her feet in the blocks to start from a blank slate.
Hm. I think there can be more than one path to most goals but you may be right here.
If you really believe she is anything close to our “best sprint prospect” and that there is a deficit in the guidance she is receiving, what are you going to do about it?
I just did a quick search and a guy that appears related and old enough to be her father in the Portland area comes up on LinkedIn and Twitter.
My only knowledge of the Schippers situation comes from someone who spoke to Bart Bennema about her. Bart blamed Rana, who seems to leave destruction is his wake wherever he goes.
I always thought Reider was more of a Loren Seagrave guy than a Charlie Francis guy?
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I think all of us who started down the technical side of things eventually realize that while some technical issues can be fixed in a day or a month, others require very specific strength work and/or other stimulus for very specific adaptations for a specific point of interest, rather than wholesale, system wide "general" strength and finger crossing. General has a place, but you rarely see it when sprinting.
Hm. I think there can be more than one path to most goals but you may be right here.
If you really believe she is anything close to our “best sprint prospect” and that there is a deficit in the guidance she is receiving, what are you going to do about it?
I just did a quick search and a guy that appears related and old enough to be her father in the Portland area comes up on LinkedIn and Twitter.
The bloviating self-proclaimed experts on this thread, like too many on LR, need a little clap back. MBP should be getting praise, not hate and ignorant hate-filled criticism for her performances as HS junior. What makes you think she is going to struggle in college? She is the most dominate HS sprinter, male or female, of all time. She is obviously still developing her body. Have you spoken to her parents or her? Her coaches? I have and can tell you the upside of MBP is incredible. Looking at her parents and sister I spoke to at US Nationals its clear MBP is likely to lean out like they did in the next couple years. Her lifting has purposely been steady and deliberate with much more room for strength development over next 2-3 years. That will lead to major gains in the start that will translate to significant improvement in her times. In speaking with her coach John Parks, she had her biomechanics analyzed by Ralph Mann, top track biomechanist in the world. MBP should be getting praise for showing up at the Junior Olympics to run relays with her long-time clubmates that are all HS seniors. The sport needs an elite athlete that wants to race often. The one concern for how successful MBP will be should be centered around which college program she joins as that is a major factor in development. If she flames out in college too many trolls on here blame it on "the body changing" or couldn't handle "college life" Reality is that too many in US system fail in college because the college coach doesn't incorporate what a successful HS coach or program has done to develop the athlete or they implement a lifting program that is not wise for developing sprinters strength and thus too much muscle mass is gained.
As this thread shows too many on here want to criticize her flaws with no respect for MBP and her coaches and support team and think they alone can take her to the promised land. She is the first HS sprinter in the modern era to make the finals of 2 sprint finals as a HS junior or younger. Lets stop destroying her areas that need work as negatives and view them as positives that show her true potential once these are addressed.
Settle down there. Everyone sees that she is the best or she wouldn't have a thread. And that is why everyone wants to perfect her body and her form. We aren't commenting about the girl who ran. 13.7 to win her local meet.
The bloviating self-proclaimed experts on this thread, like too many on LR, need a little clap back. MBP should be getting praise, not hate and ignorant hate-filled criticism for her performances as HS junior. What makes you think she is going to struggle in college? She is the most dominate HS sprinter, male or female, of all time. She is obviously still developing her body. Have you spoken to her parents or her? Her coaches? I have and can tell you the upside of MBP is incredible. Looking at her parents and sister I spoke to at US Nationals its clear MBP is likely to lean out like they did in the next couple years…[another bloviating self-proclaimed expert]
As this thread shows too many on here want to criticize her flaws with no respect for MBP and her coaches and support team and think they alone can take her to the promised land.
Really? You spoke to her parents and coaches and came away thinking her upside is incredible? How unexpected.
I hardly saw any disrespect on this post. People talk about athletes just like you are. Nobody, literally nobody, thinks they alone can take her to the promised land. About half of them cringe-virtue-signal just like you are even though you are also just a bloviating self-proclaimed expert. Welcome to letsbloviate.com.
The bloviating self-proclaimed experts on this thread, like too many on LR, need a little clap back. MBP should be getting praise, not hate and ignorant hate-filled criticism for her performances as HS junior. What makes you think she is going to struggle in college? She is the most dominate HS sprinter, male or female, of all time. She is obviously still developing her body. Have you spoken to her parents or her? Her coaches? I have and can tell you the upside of MBP is incredible. Looking at her parents and sister I spoke to at US Nationals its clear MBP is likely to lean out like they did in the next couple years. Her lifting has purposely been steady and deliberate with much more room for strength development over next 2-3 years. That will lead to major gains in the start that will translate to significant improvement in her times. In speaking with her coach John Parks, she had her biomechanics analyzed by Ralph Mann, top track biomechanist in the world. MBP should be getting praise for showing up at the Junior Olympics to run relays with her long-time clubmates that are all HS seniors. The sport needs an elite athlete that wants to race often. The one concern for how successful MBP will be should be centered around which college program she joins as that is a major factor in development. If she flames out in college too many trolls on here blame it on "the body changing" or couldn't handle "college life" Reality is that too many in US system fail in college because the college coach doesn't incorporate what a successful HS coach or program has done to develop the athlete or they implement a lifting program that is not wise for developing sprinters strength and thus too much muscle mass is gained.
As this thread shows too many on here want to criticize her flaws with no respect for MBP and her coaches and support team and think they alone can take her to the promised land. She is the first HS sprinter in the modern era to make the finals of 2 sprint finals as a HS junior or younger. Lets stop destroying her areas that need work as negatives and view them as positives that show her true potential once these are addressed.
This has to be someone associated with John Parks, lol
No one is saying she isn't an elite talent, and no one is disrespecting her. I flat out said she's the best American sprint prospect we have, and believe she should medal in 2028. What incomprehensible, meandering slop. "With much more room for strength development in the next two years" -- Bro and/or ma'am, are you saying a HS Junior has strength training upside? I'm stunned. Sounds like her camp have fallen into the midwit take that strength training needs to be taken slowly over time, like a king taking small hits of poison to garner immunity.
Going to hit you with a Dan Pfaff quote. "Movement signatures improving and strength increasing only matter if both are present." There's a menu of strength exercises her team could be picking from to address her technical weaknesses -- we must remember that a lot of technical flaws are the result of a weak link in the chain or the athlete not having the physical ability to have the desired technique -- but from what you've said, it sounds like they're completely ignorant to some of the most important work of the last ten years. Hell, I'll give you this: a RFESS with no concentric, and a twenty-to-thirty second isometric hold when the front leg is in the A position, and relaxing to the pins after the duration. You can add 200 lbs to that in under two months, you won't wake up one day OH MY GOD I ADDED TEN POUNDS OF MUSCLE, THE HORROR and, guess what? You'll be so much stronger in a specific position that, once you start oscillatory isometrics, your on-track switching becomes so much easier and violent.
Ralph Mann's work on quantifying key step parameters is unquestioned. If he did a biomechanics analysis for her, that's great, but this is an Einstein/Oppeneheimer thing. He's from a different era. I would trust him absolutely to point out technical flaws. But him telling an athlete their right shin angle at left leg toe off needs to be six degrees further doesn't actually solve the problem and might be interrupting a working motor engram!
As for her leaning out like her family members, this is just so plainly ignorant to the mechanics of weight loss and physical development that it isn't worth addressing. Fewer calories. That's it.
You didn't even say "Neuro" or "CNS" once. This does not bode well for Miss MBP.
Maybe, maybe not. There’s a range of body fat percentages both for a single athlete and across athletes where the exact percentage doesn’t seem to matter, but she’ll likely get faster anyway just by way of maturing.
Yes. Evie Richards in cycling is a great example of a non-skinny athlete in a sport full of disordered eating. She started having disordered eating when she joined the Great Britain Academy cycling program. The program had benchmarks for weight and body fat (skinfold measurements taken all the time). She was surrounded by other cyclists with disordered eating, and did the same, losing her period for a couple years. She had some decent performances, including winning the U23 World Championships in cyclocross, but often was exhausted during that time.
When she recognized the problem and gained weight, she jumped up to the top in mountain biking. 2021 World Champion in XCO (cross country) mountain biking plus multiple World Cup wins that year. Her jump in the ranking bar graphs happened after gaining back weight:
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Mia shares a lot of thoughts in this new bio that are very relevant to this thread, on her sprinting form and getting the right configuration of muscle and weight. It sounds like she's very well aware of areas in which she's vulnerable and/or needs to work on (she even says "it's a mess" at one point), but it also seems that she's working with really knowledgeable coaches and experts.
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"The weight training has come with some negatives which she has had to combat. She puts on muscle mass very easily with the weight training so she has to be careful what she does in the weight room. To reduce the chances of her increasing her muscle mass, she lifts a heavy amount of weights so she reaches hypertrophy quickly. Her movements are also quick and explosive to mimic what she experiences on the track. She also has troubles with her knees because her hamstrings are so weak causing stress on her knees. “It’s a mess,” she says.
At 5-10, 150ish, she says she plans to lean up as carrying more weight affects how fast she can run.
“Last year, we really focused on trying to get the weight as heavy as possible without having to put on any weight. And that's a very common thing to a lot of track athletes because we want to carry the least amount of mass on the track. And that's something that I've really struggled with, because I put on muscle really, really easily. Part of that is just my eating in general. I've got to work on that a bit. But I think I've struggled a lot with putting on too much muscle and that kind of gets masked because I'm quite tall and quite lanky so it doesn't look like a lot of muscle mass. But I've gained a lot of weight through weightlifting and that's just not been good for me. So his goal for me last season and this coming season even more so is to be able to lift as much weight as possible, just without putting one on the weight. "
There is no reason to assume her technique will improve as she ages. There's maybe five people who understand the physics and individuality of sprint mechanics and fifty thousand who say they do.
I saw the downvotes of earlier posters saying she needs to lose weight, but the truth hurts. That extra mass is a hindrance to performance and she is going to suffer a serious injury in the next eighteen months without addressing the weight. She's putting so much force into the ground while running imperfectly enough that the end range of her stride to stride variance is already in the dead center of dangerous. If she adds another twenty kilos to her back or front squat and her mechanics don't improve, unfortunately, she will get hurt.
My bona fides: I can claim with some degree of confidence that no other sprint coach has taken more female athletes from under 18 mph to over 20 mph over the last three years. For male athletes, going from sub-21 to over 23, I know I'm somewhere in the top twenty. High school sprint coaches in America are fundamentally retarded and so much talent is wasted. Best example is trained a junior girl who went from alternate on a 4x200m that wasn't any good to trouncing the fastest girl on that relay (who had multiple D1 offers) in eight weeks. Flying ten m time of 1.22 to 1.063.
Unfortunately your prognostication about potential injury makes you look like a genius. She was hurt this weekend in VA at the VA showcase. It looked really serious and she looked absolutely devastated and panicked- as if she knew it was something dire. All this after she overcame a bad start and beat the fastest 60m field in the country. There’s video out there but you have to have a mile split acct to view it.
Unfortunately your prognostication about potential injury makes you look like a genius. She was hurt this weekend in VA at the VA showcase. It looked really serious and she looked absolutely devastated and panicked- as if she knew it was something dire. All this after she overcame a bad start and beat the fastest 60m field in the country. There’s video out there but you have to have a mile split acct to view it.
Mentions it in this interview. Hamstring strain, 6-8 weeks.
Mia Brahe-Pedersen, a USC-bound senior at Lake Oswego High in Oregon, won the girls 60-meter dash final in 7.22 seconds and clocked 22.92 to prevail in the 200 meters at the Virginia Showcase at Virginia Beach Sports Center.
In that post-race interview she actually seems pretty upbeat under the circumstances. Evidently, learning she's out "only" 6-8 weeks was a relief given what she initially feared. Or maybe she's just trying to put a brave face on it. Hopefully her MRI won't reveal anything more complicated. As I said in another thread, the potential positive is that they can figure out how this injury happened and that knowledge can inform all her training going forward.
Spoke to Mia and her coach about the injury. Occurred as she put on the brakes after the race. Was frustrated with her reaction at start but was pleased overall considering how little start work the extremely cold and wet weather in Oregon has allowed her recently. She is much leaner than a year ago thanks to the shift in lifting from her old club to full time with her school and long-time private coach. Expressed extreme frustration at being unable to race in the 4x4 vs MVA and Bullis.
She and her coach brought up a key failure at too many "state of the art" hydraulic liftt tracks. That it wasn't lowered for the finals to allow a safer runway to slow down on. Complained there was no padding on the rail at top of lane 6 on track and she'd had a bad experience on a similar track last winter.
I know everyone hopes her injury is not too severe and she bounces back quickly. She was distraught initially but as another poster stated, she was her usual positive self later as she discussed the treatment and rehab she would now focus on.
