Apparently Tuohy was just named USTFCCCA National Scholar Athlete of the Year. Distance runners tend to be high achievers. It is a sport that requires disciplne.
On the actual thread topic, it is another quality addition to a very deep team.
Yep. And people on here are trying to question that Tuohy had the academic credentials and intelligence to be admitted to any school she wanted?
Kelsey Chmiel, Brooke Rauber, and Sydney Seymour were also named USTFCCCA Academic All-Americans, per this Instagram post. The entire NC State women's cross country team has an average GPA of 3.68.
As someone who ran at a comparable school to Princeton and had many teammates go on to 5th years. I can assure you her plan is to get a masters in something she doesn't need and go all in on running for a year, where she won't be held back by hard academics. I even had friends go to good academic schools and couldn't believe how easy their grad programs were compared with their time in undergrad.
Another way to look at it is the Coach has a hard time developing talent versus having it handed to her. What coach or team couldn't win with those runners?
Is this a serious question?
Let's start with almost every coach on both sides at the almighty and exalted Stanford. That program has had more distance talent dumped in their lap over the decades than any other in the country. How many national championships have they won with it?
And it's not just Stanford. The history of our sport at the collegiate level is littered with the names of hundreds of top recruits, on both sides but especially girls, who never develop let alone produce, in the top as well as the decent NCAA distance programs.
Further, it's not just an individual high school phenom thing. There are countless examples of programs with more than enough total talent that couldn't put it together for a title.
You can have whatever personal opinion you want about NC State and Coach Henes. But to say that any coach should win with those runners just shows how little you know about collegiate running.
Yeah sure, look at the transfers and the high schoolers and their credentials coming in. The poster surely knows more about collegiate running than you do. Hilarious that some of you can't man up to the truth and that you act like your coaches...yet you live on a running forum?
I know is lame trolling, but still the idea that all these other teams consist of a roster of Rhodes Scholars (so tempted to write "Roads") is kind of hilarious. As is the idea of Stanford's coach sitting there with applications from Tuohy and Chimel and saying "it's too bad; just not Stanford material"). That is doubly true given the talent signing binge Stanford has been on lately.
Very unlikely that Tuohy could have been admitted on her own academi merit. She didn't complete a deal with the coach at any elite Academic institution. That means it is a fact that she didn't get admitted to any elite schools. Stop trying to justify it. Just accet it as a fact. I could be working for Tesla because I am a top engineer but I didn't apply. see how that works? Imagine telling people that at a party. Thye would roll their eyes and try to get away from you. That is what Tuohy fabs do. "Tuohy can do anything that she wants to do."
It's not great, but like it or not in the current US system, 1300 + coaches endorsement equals full scholarship / ivy admit, while many 1600 regular students are rejected.
With covid (test optional) it could have changed, but at the colleges I was looking at running for (Ivies + top academic D3), you virtually needed a 1500+, with obviously 1550+ preferred.
Of course, I wasn't running 4:00/8:50 so it's different
Btw, were any of those teams' rosters admitted purely based on academic merit, assuming that term still applies to holistic admissions practices? I would venture none of them were.
Very unlikely that Tuohy could have been admitted on her own academi merit. She didn't complete a deal with the coach at any elite Academic institution. That means it is a fact that she didn't get admitted to any elite schools. Stop trying to justify it. Just accet it as a fact. I could be working for Tesla because I am a top engineer but I didn't apply. see how that works? Imagine telling people that at a party. Thye would roll their eyes and try to get away from you. That is what Tuohy fabs do. "Tuohy can do anything that she wants to do."
No one has ever said 'stroh's is yummy' could not work for Tesla, but posters here have said that 'the NC State ladies, even with coach support would not have been admitted to elite schools', which just isn't true.
With covid (test optional) it could have changed, but at the colleges I was looking at running for (Ivies + top academic D3), you virtually needed a 1500+, with obviously 1550+ preferred.
Of course, I wasn't running 4:00/8:50 so it's different
Pick a school like Stanford, Michigan, or Williams. Google their common data set and look at questions c9-c12. You can see there how low gpa, test score and class rank can be for athletes, these will be the bottom 5%. The system is not fair, but it's what we have.
This was the basis for 'the college admission scandal'. Wealthy parents, in addition to paying full tuition, paid bribe to coach to use 1 of their 'coach endorsements' to get child admitted, even though the kid was not even going to play. Why would a coach risk poor results for sacrificing a recruit spot? Well the bribes were in the $100k-500k range, so even more than coach's annual salary.
yeah, I totally could have worked at Jane street / KKR / been a #1 NFL draft pick but I just didn't care
Can't do much about NC St grads becoming the #1 NFL pick, although Russell Wilson did alright.
For Jane Street, KkR, Susquehanna, Bain, Goldman etc., 99% of Americans have no idea what they even are. If you told them what the starting pay was, they just wouldn't believe you and would carry on with their day. Even at Harvard, MIT and Stanford there are students who would rather be writers, comedians, professors, doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs etc. otherwise the only majors would be math, physics, econ and computer science.
If an NC St grad wants to work at Jane Street or Susquehanna as a 'quant', they can get a Masters in Financial Engineering. If they want to work at KKR, Goldman or Bain they can get an MBA. More important than where you went to undergrad, is knowing these jobs exist, deciding you want one, and putting a plan together to make it. The founder of Jane St. went to Claremont McKenna with masters at Cornell, not the elitist of schools, and the founders of Susquehanna went to, God forbid, SUNY Binghamton. Right there shows it does not have to be an elite undergrad. Just for fun Henry Kravis, also Claremont with Columbia MBA.
As for the Wolfpack, at least Moreno, Chmiel, Tuohy, Rauber and Starliper would appear to have the wherewithal and drive to pursue these career paths, if they want. Chmiel and Rauber plan on vet school, and we'll just have to wait and see for the others. Their choice to go to NC St seems to have worked out as they are NCAA champs and pushing the limits of their athletic talent.
This discussion was on LRC last week - about MIT track recruiting. Someone said that it’s much more difficult (virtually impossible) to get a job like that if you don’t go to 7 or so colleges, and then someone countered that by stating that Jane Street recruited at…wait for it…Williams, the best LAC in the nation. Claremont McKenna is a top 10 LAC, and Cornell/Columbia are obviously top schools as well, especially for engineering and their MBA program, respectively. It’s much easier to get into a top math/cs PhD or MFE program if you’re already at a top college, but if you’re a top math/cs student at a good Ivy, you’ll likely go directly into these firms instead of having to get a masters.
Agree with you that people don’t know about them: my parents are professionals who paid about $150 in taxes last quarter, but they hadn’t heard of most of these firms until I got a job at a relatively well known one (not citadel or JS, but as “prestigious”) and didn’t believe me when I told them my starting salary. This was about 5 years ago, and they’re routinely hitting $400k now