"I don’t think kids are choosing to be trans because they don’t like the stereotypes of their sex. I think the stereotypes of their sex are what initially signals to them that there is a mismatch in their brain."
What happened to tomboy girls? Or effeminate men? These used to be understood and acceptable personality traits.
Who is making such a strong push for these folks to become part of the alphabet mafia?
So how many people are going to be on the genitalia inspection unit? Do they later sync up with the testosterone unit to look at video to decide who is male and female?
It’s clear you many of you have a lot of repressed anxiety over how male or not male you are 😂
Well, it does seem like a major sign of progress that both sides of this debate now agree that just because someone is born without a penis doesn't mean they're not a man.
If someone has some type of genital disfigurement or chromosomal abnormality, that should be in their medical records.
Most high school athletes are required to have a yearly physical, where a doctor could easily know such issues without having some type of 3rd party "genital inspector."
It all comes down to Y chromosome. You either have it or you don't. And if you do (like Caster), then you should not be allowed in protected divisions.
RunRagged: Not even the healthiest, most physically-fit women going through the healthiest pregnancies imaginable do better in track and other sports because of the elevated levels of natural T that come with pregnancy.
There is certainly a lot of anecdotal evidence and some research suggesting otherwise, like Paula Radcliffe winning the NY marathon in 2007 less than a year after giving birth, and Kara Goucher setting a PB in the Boston Marathon in 2011 only 7 months afterwards. Generally speaking, a female's heart will hold and pump about 40% more blood during pregnancy, and the number of red blood cells increases by a third. Is all this transformation because of testosterone? No, but it likely plays a role.
I don't mean to "muddy the waters" so much as to point out that they're not crystal clear when we start looking at huge sample sizes of athletes which may contain outliers attracted to sport. The vast majority of the time you are right about the differences between endogenous and exogenous T.
If someone has some type of genital disfigurement or chromosomal abnormality, that should be in their medical records.
Most high school athletes are required to have a yearly physical, where a doctor could easily know such issues without having some type of 3rd party "genital inspector."
It all comes down to Y chromosome. You either have it or you don't. And if you do (like Caster), then you should not be allowed in protected divisions.
So how many people are going to be on the genitalia inspection unit? Do they later sync up with the testosterone unit to look at video to decide who is male and female?
It’s clear you many of you have a lot of repressed anxiety over how male or not male you are 😂
Well, it does seem like a major sign of progress that both sides of this debate now agree that just because someone is born without a penis doesn't mean they're not a man.
Genitalia do not determine sex, gametes do. Having ovaries means you're female; having testes means you're male.
“We have two categories in our sport: one is age and one is gender. Age because we think it’s better that Olympic champions don’t run against 14-year-olds in community sports. And gender because if you don’t have a gender separation, no woman would ever win another sporting event.
Those second rate sociologists are wondering if he meant sex, not gender.
Some of us , who know that gender was originally a synonym of sex, knows what he meant.
So how many people are going to be on the genitalia inspection unit? Do they later sync up with the testosterone unit to look at video to decide who is male and female?
It’s clear you many of you have a lot of repressed anxiety over how male or not male you are 😂
It should be clear as mud. Once a women's 800m is won by another person looking like 'he' would be more at home at flanker on a rugby union team*, then then they should be prepared to provide DNA sample, otherwise go run with the blokes
* Couldn't help thinking that of Wambui in particular, ideal flanker build. Semenya, more your robust centre in backline. Sorry for the Union reference to those that don't follow it
No, not all of us "have a gender." I have a sex. That's it.
Beyond that, I have a personality with a wide range of interests. For instance, I'm much more interested in sports than the average woman, but that is just part of my personality.
In the U.S. when a male gynocologist performs an exam, there is always a nursing assistant present. If she is not present - RED flag! I have never not had another woman present when a male doctor examined me. This would be the first lesson we should be teaching young women.
1) This trans athlete panic is an entirely fabricated freak-out brought to you by your good friends the right-wing culture warriors. Sport governing bodies will evolve appropriate rules without panic being exploited and driven by the likes of Laura and Tucker, thank you very much. Shame on LRC for playing into this as well, although not surprising.
2) Subjective experience of gender is clearly much more fluid among a large number of people than society recognized previously. If you aren't comfortable with that fact, you'll get there. If not, you'll be marginalized as more generations grow up freely exploring where they fit without the outdated gender dichotomous paradigms.
Your claim made in 1) that those who support and defend female-only sports (and spaces and services) are all "right-wing culture warriors" or friends with them who take our cues from Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham shows how clueless you are about the people and politics involved here, and how narrow and parochial your own USA-centric POV is.
Millions of women and men around the world who oppose the incursion of males into female sports and regard gender identity ideology as sexist, male supremacist and harmful have always been progressives who've worked hard to promote tolerance, diversity and inclusion of minorities and those who are marginalized.
Women like Martina Navratilova, NancyHogshead-Makar, Mara Yamaguchi, Sharron Davies, Chris Evert, JK Rowling, Cathy Devine, Linda Blade, Kathleeen Stock, Julie Bindel, Kara Dansky, Doriane Lambelet Coleman, Maya Forstater, Janice Raymond and men like Ross Tucker, Daley Thompson and Jon Pike hardly are being driven and exploited by American right-wingers like Carlson, Ingraham and Matt Walsh.
In particular, women like me approach the issues at hand here from a longstanding second-wave feminist perspective that has always been critical of the sex stereotypes that constitute gender. We see the sex stereotypes that make up gender as means that inculcate and perpetuate the traditional sex hierarchy in which males are regarded as naturally superior beings meant to dominate and rule over females, and females are seen as second-rate and naturally second-class beings who embrace and enjoy our inferior social position. Gender teaches that the wants, needs and demands of males must always come first, and females must always put our own interests, wellbeing and safety aside to make sure males get what they want.
In short, the "gender critical feminist" POV and is entirely different to the perspective of the right wing.
As for your claim in 2): many who most staunchly oppose the incursion of males into female sports and spaces in the name of gender identity ideology are ourselves people who have spent our lives rejecting and not conforming to the sexist stereotypes that constitute gender and which today's gender ideology promotes. Many are lesbian, gay or bi too.
Some of the most vocal defenders of female-only sports, spaces and services today are left-wing butch lesbians like Joey Brite, Linda Bellos and Allison Bailey and gay, bi and het men who were and are notable "gender benders." Including Marilyn Peter Robinson, the popular gay British singer known as Marilyn in the 1980s who now goes by the handle Mister Marilyn on social media. Marilyn, or Maz as he is also known, is still an active "gender bender" today in his 50s, but because he says humans can't change sex and he sticks up for the rights of women and girls, he is widely lambasted as a "transphobe" and right-winger.
Moreover, many people today of both sexes who identify as trans, non-binary, gender fluid, neutrois, maverique and so on who nonetheless oppose males using their claimed gender identities as an excuse to horn in on female sports, spaces and services. They see that there is a massive conflict between what gender identity ideologues are demanding in the name of "trans rights" and the hard-won rights that the female half of the population in the Western world only obtained relatively recently in history - and only because generations of women fought tooth and nail for them.
Just as the behaviors and attitudes displayed by XY DSD athletes like Caster Semenya have not helped to advance the interests of people with DSDs generally, those who advocate intrusion of males into female sports, spaces and services and who preach human sex-denialism in the name of "diversity, equity and inclusion" are really not helping the vast majority of people marginalized for not conforming to traditional gender paradigms.
In fact, many of us believe that the gender identity ideology that's being advanced today in the guise of tolerating difference and being progressive is at its core as regressive, conformist and male supremacist as the traditionalist views of right wingers like Tucker Carlson and Matt Walsh.
Runragged interesting post, what say thee about middle eastern women ? Any plans to stand up to 'the man' and help a girl out In Iran? Iraq? Or just the countries where women have been treated so poorly like the usa?
Your claim made in 1) that those who support and defend female-only sports (and spaces and services) are all "right-wing culture warriors" or friends with them who take our cues from Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham shows how clueless you are about the people and politics involved here, and how narrow and parochial your own USA-centric POV is.
Millions of women and men around the world who oppose the incursion of males into female sports and regard gender identity ideology as sexist, male supremacist and harmful have always been progressives who've worked hard to promote tolerance, diversity and inclusion of minorities and those who are marginalized.
Women like Martina Navratilova, NancyHogshead-Makar, Mara Yamaguchi, Sharron Davies, Chris Evert, JK Rowling, Cathy Devine, Linda Blade, Kathleeen Stock, Julie Bindel, Kara Dansky, Doriane Lambelet Coleman, Maya Forstater, Janice Raymond and men like Ross Tucker, Daley Thompson and Jon Pike hardly are being driven and exploited by American right-wingers like Carlson, Ingraham and Matt Walsh.
In particular, women like me approach the issues at hand here from a longstanding second-wave feminist perspective that has always been critical of the sex stereotypes that constitute gender. We see the sex stereotypes that make up gender as means that inculcate and perpetuate the traditional sex hierarchy in which males are regarded as naturally superior beings meant to dominate and rule over females, and females are seen as second-rate and naturally second-class beings who embrace and enjoy our inferior social position. Gender teaches that the wants, needs and demands of males must always come first, and females must always put our own interests, wellbeing and safety aside to make sure males get what they want.
In short, the "gender critical feminist" POV and is entirely different to the perspective of the right wing.
As for your claim in 2): many who most staunchly oppose the incursion of males into female sports and spaces in the name of gender identity ideology are ourselves people who have spent our lives rejecting and not conforming to the sexist stereotypes that constitute gender and which today's gender ideology promotes. Many are lesbian, gay or bi too.
Some of the most vocal defenders of female-only sports, spaces and services today are left-wing butch lesbians like Joey Brite, Linda Bellos and Allison Bailey and gay, bi and het men who were and are notable "gender benders." Including Marilyn Peter Robinson, the popular gay British singer known as Marilyn in the 1980s who now goes by the handle Mister Marilyn on social media. Marilyn, or Maz as he is also known, is still an active "gender bender" today in his 50s, but because he says humans can't change sex and he sticks up for the rights of women and girls, he is widely lambasted as a "transphobe" and right-winger.
Moreover, many people today of both sexes who identify as trans, non-binary, gender fluid, neutrois, maverique and so on who nonetheless oppose males using their claimed gender identities as an excuse to horn in on female sports, spaces and services. They see that there is a massive conflict between what gender identity ideologues are demanding in the name of "trans rights" and the hard-won rights that the female half of the population in the Western world only obtained relatively recently in history - and only because generations of women fought tooth and nail for them.
Just as the behaviors and attitudes displayed by XY DSD athletes like Caster Semenya have not helped to advance the interests of people with DSDs generally, those who advocate intrusion of males into female sports, spaces and services and who preach human sex-denialism in the name of "diversity, equity and inclusion" are really not helping the vast majority of people marginalized for not conforming to traditional gender paradigms.
In fact, many of us believe that the gender identity ideology that's being advanced today in the guise of tolerating difference and being progressive is at its core as regressive, conformist and male supremacist as the traditionalist views of right wingers like Tucker Carlson and Matt Walsh.
But you're not in charge of this counter movement against trans people are you. Where Tucker leads you are following because you think it benefits you. Of course, where the right wing starts with attacking trans women it will end with cis women.
We're in the fourth wave of feminism now, not the second-wave anymore. The second-wave ended when it lost the sex wars and it became clear their critique of patriarchal institutions was not about abolishing systems of exploitation, but placing women in positions of power within them.
How do you plan to abolish these stereotypes if you insist on strict delimitation and biological definitions of womanhood. If we can and should act and wear what we want, how is drag (a recent target of gender-critical and right wing outrage) a stereotype? Surely a literal man wearing the most stereotypical feminine and camp clothes and makeup is the ultimate rejection of these stereotypes? It shows how BS these stereotypes are if men are able to be accepted and celebrated for not acting in male-stereotypical ways.
No, not all of us "have a gender." I have a sex. That's it.
Beyond that, I have a personality with a wide range of interests. For instance, I'm much more interested in sports than the average woman, but that is just part of my personality.
Do you have sexual orientation? I assume you are heterosexual. Does that qualify as sexual orientation, or do you think only LGB people have sexual orientation?
Do you have any religious identity? You may not have any religion. Many don't. And many don't make conscious decisions to become an atheist, an agnostic or whatever religiously unaffiliated person. But does that mean they have no religious identity?
Do you have any party identification? You may not support Democratic, Republican, or any other organized political party. You may not have made any conscious choice to be politically independent. But does that mean you have no party identification?
If you wake up tomorrow finding yourself in a woman's body, how well do you think you can adjust to this new reality? Will you just keep living the same as you have, just in a different body? In that case, you might be agender instead of cisgender. But that is also another form of gender identity.
Go hang out with your "girlfriend" that is six feet two inches, and ran 10.6 in the 100 in high school, but identifies as a woman now. I imagine this topic gets you sore on a daily basis...
I am a heterosexual woman, with no gender identity just as most of the billions of people around the world.
Okay. Then let me rephrase my question. If you wake up tomorrow morning finding yourself in a male body, do you think you can keep living as the same person as you are today, just in a different body? Or will you feel some discomfort with your new body
Story at a glance A paper published Wednesday in the journal Pediatrics disproves popular theories used mostly by conservative politicians and those in the medical field seeking to restrict access to gender-affirming health c...
