Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but if you're doing your long runs in carbon-plated shoes, you're wrong.
I don’t have an opinion but when carbon plates were getting popular, I thought pros were saying that they’re good for training because they could recover faster with them or train harder or something.
Does anyone remember a pro saying that and if there was ever any explanation or just placebo?
Also anyone saying training in carbon plate shoes is wrong, are you saying it’s simply a waste of money or that there’s something physiologically bad about training in them?
Hoka Clifton or Saucony Endorphin Shift for anything over 15 miles. Hoka Rincon for shorter runs. I just also just got a pair of Hoka Mach 4's but haven't worn them yet.
I've been using the Rincons for everything for the past few months, but could use something more durable to rotate with them. How do you find the Cliftons and Shifts compare for fit and durability ?
Nike Zoomfly 4, very comfortable fit and don’t slip and very durable my 3’s lasted about 750 miles before soles were too smooth but cushioning was still great.
I wear them for runs 6 to 14 miles+ on a weekly basis and longest was 18
Infinity React Flyknit 2 for the faster long runs (10-13mi). ZoomX Invincible Run Flyknit for LSD (90-120 min). If you’re into zero-drop shoes, I used to really like Topo Magnifly 3 for long runs. Had chronic Achilles problems, though
Hate to be that guy, but you probably didn't transition into the Magnifly's slowly enough. It's a big jump from 10mm heels to 0mm, especially if you're converting a lot of miles all at once. Calves and the Achilles need a long and gradual adjustment period to zero-drop shoes if you're coming from a big heel.
Nike Pegasus (37?) and longest recent run was 27 miles. Will be racing in Next% 2 for 26.2 miles
Sadly, I have to admit that I think Nike Peg's are the best LSD shoe of any brand atm, imo. I'm talking cheap non-super shoe. Taking into account my definition of what a LSD shoe should be, my limited experience of shoes, and my opinion based off these factors.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but if you're doing your long runs in carbon-plated shoes, you're wrong.
I don’t have an opinion but when carbon plates were getting popular, I thought pros were saying that they’re good for training because they could recover faster with them or train harder or something.
Does anyone remember a pro saying that and if there was ever any explanation or just placebo?
Also anyone saying training in carbon plate shoes is wrong, are you saying it’s simply a waste of money or that there’s something physiologically bad about training in them?
There's no evidence that carbon plated shoes are bad for training runs. Some sports scientists have speculated that they could eventually lead to weaker foot muscles as you don't work them as much when you have the carbon plate. But still no evidence of this.
Anyway, I'm using the Endorphin Speed for long runs. It's still the best all-round shoe on the market, and you can get it discounted now. Saucony really hit paydirt with that one
I don’t have an opinion but when carbon plates were getting popular, I thought pros were saying that they’re good for training because they could recover faster with them or train harder or something.
Does anyone remember a pro saying that and if there was ever any explanation or just placebo?
Also anyone saying training in carbon plate shoes is wrong, are you saying it’s simply a waste of money or that there’s something physiologically bad about training in them?
There's no evidence that carbon plated shoes are bad for training runs. Some sports scientists have speculated that they could eventually lead to weaker foot muscles as you don't work them as much when you have the carbon plate. But still no evidence of this.
Anyway, I'm using the Endorphin Speed for long runs. It's still the best all-round shoe on the market, and you can get it discounted now. Saucony really hit paydirt with that one
Is there evidence that they're not bad, or do you mean that no one's studied it? I've never noticed an issue, just curious.
Anyway, I think the super shoe recovery benefit was mostly from the new foam + super stacks given better cushion, but you need the plate for stability it when it gets that high. I do like the ZoomX in the Streakfly for long run workouts, though.
No, there's no evidence either way. People have theories, and a lot of people will see a runner get injured and try and put 2 and 2 together, but that's all conjecture. As you say, most athletes say that it's all about the recovery benefits that the supershoes give
I'm now using Saucony Triumph 19. The power run plus foam is awesome. It's soft enough to totally protect your feet but it's dense enough so you don't feel you are sinking in. It's actually got a little pop when you pick up the pace. You're not gonna choose this for speedwork but it feels good when you do pick up the pace. The upper is nice and breathable. It's slightly heavier at 10ish ounces. This shoe is a super stable comfortable ride for miles and miles. I think the only other shoe that is in this category (maxish cushion, but responsive firmness as well) would be the Glycerin 20 with the new DNA Loft 3. The reviews of Glycerin 20 compare it to the Triumph 19.