Without COVID eligibility, NCAA #16 would be 3:57/7:49

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2 years ago 02/14/2022 1:45pm EST

If you take out all the guys marked as seniors on TFRRS (who would not have eligibility this season without COVID), the last marks in qualifying position would be 3:57 and 7:49. The 3k in particular loses a ridiculous amount of its top-end; 9 of the top 11 times would be struck from the lists.

Obviously those are still pretty strong times, but 3:57 and 7:49 are MUCH more sensible. In 2020, with no super spikes, the marks were 3:58 and 7:51. It was the same in 2019. In 2018 it was 3:57 and 7:53. 3:57 and 7:49 are a clear step up, but not by much, and it’s hard to say if even that improvement is due to the spikes (uninterrupted COVID training, faster tracks, and “iron sharpens iron” are all other possible factors).

2 years ago 02/14/2022 2:09pm EST

re: my two pennies

Thanks for calculating this. I’ve been wondering it for a while but never had the time to go through the lists.

2 years ago 02/14/2022 7:31pm EST

re: not a duck

Yeah cheers for checking this. With that being said, do we expect to see things regress or has the bar simply been raised?

2 years ago 02/14/2022 7:59pm EST

re: Trackfan55

So are you saying that #16 would be 7:40 if every college allowed for BYU type eligibility?

2 years ago 02/14/2022 11:50pm EST

re: Iiii

Iiii wrote:
So are you saying that #16 would be 7:40 if every college allowed for BYU type eligibility?

Every college is allowed “BYU type eligibility”… don’t get me wrong I hate the cheating Mormans just as much as the next guy but anyone can take a year or two off and go on a religious mission, join the peace core, join the army, or a myriad of other options… reality check, most kids want to live a “normal” college life and 4-5ish years is long enough to live the dream for most of them.

2 years ago 02/15/2022 8:56am EST

re: my two pennies

Put an asterisk next to any athlete that competes for 5 seasons. The blanket extra year for athletes was joke, especially considering that most to the fall and spring sport athletes did not miss a season. It was the spring sport athletes that lost a year and some of the smaller DII and DIII kids that lost a season in the fall of 2020.

4 competition years.....period, it what the NCAA should have done.

2 years ago 02/15/2022 9:18am EST

re: 4what

They should have only given an extra year to those that were seniors during the covid year. Juniors/sophomores/freshman should not have been given the covid year unless they already exhausted their redshirt. This would reduce a ton of these collegiate participants

2 years ago 02/15/2022 9:31am EST

re: my two pennies

Not that simple. A lot of these seniors would have eligibility in 2022 even without the COVID year. Either they are 5th year guys have redshirted before COVID or are normal 4th year guys. I count 3 in the mile like this (Young, Lumb, Johnsen) and 4 in the 3K (Segura, Kioka, Johnsen, Bienenfeld). Unless I'm missing something (always a possibility), this would put the current 16th time (minus the COVID year additions) at 3:56. 60 and 7:47.51. I think.

Also, there are usually multiple qualifiers after this point in the season (BU Last Chance, MPSF, the occasional conference meet). So the data isn't complete. My guess is even with the COVID guys removed, 16th will be sub 3:56-low and sub 8:47-low.

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