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Assuming this is not a troll post, it is strange indeed for someone to be offended by a second person ungendered pronoun, but pronouns are a minefield these days and the boss made it clear to you what was expected, so you had a choice: to humbly tow the line or risk being fired, and you clearly chose the latter, so at this point, if you really care to have the job back, your best bet is to talk to the principal, offer to apologize, and make a case for how you have educated yourself to be sensitive to the needs and feelings of the non-binary and making them feel welcome at the school.
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jcaweiioj fd; wrote:
In the beginning, you legitimately didn't understand that the athlete wanted "you" replaced with "they/them." I get it, that is not a natural substitution. When the athlete made that request, all you had to do was have a quiet conversation with them where you state that you want to honor their wishes, explain that it is not the most natural substitution so you might slip up occasionally, but that you will be trying because you do, in fact, care. That's clearly not what happened, as you kept using "you," and did so intentionally and against their stated wishes.
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Being considerate is one thing. Being bullied into speaking in a bizarre, nonsensical SJW foreign language that only exists as a “gotcha” mechanism is another.
Dr. Bob Bratton wrote:
Sorry if this sounds like a rant. I live in a NYC suburb and for the last 15 years have worked as an assistant track coach for the local high school handling the distance runners. The pay is minimal but I enjoyed working with the kids. Anyone who has coached high schoolers knows that a significant percentage of any track team have no interest in the sport but use it as an opportunity to give people grief. The first day of practice last year, while I was taking attendance, a new girl ( I'll call Tabitha) announces she is non-binary, and her pronouns are they and them. I'll admit I slip a few times and call Tabitha "she" or "hers", which she demands I change. A couple weeks into the season, things hit a boiling point when I say "Tabitha, you need to go to the long jump." She responds that I am disrespecting the nonbinary and I have to use "they," as in "Tabitha, they have to go to the long jump." I tell her that is not the way it works and I keep using "you." The next week, I'm called into a conference with the AD, Principal, Tabitha and her mom, who is a social justice coordinator for a local charity. The principal ends up telling me that the school has decided students can choose their own pronouns and if Tabitha wants to be called "they" rather than "you," I'll have to accept it. So, instead of saying "Tabitha, how are you feeling?" I have to say "Tabitha how are they feeling?"
Later on I ask her "Tabitha if they are nonbinary, why do they only run the girls races?" Her mom complains I am humiliating the non-binary.
The end result, I apply to coach again this year and am told I am not being rehired because of microaggressions against the nonbinary.
Anyone have any suggestions??
I'd have empathy for this story if you didn't misgender this person here.
If they want to go by they/them just do it who cares.
I don't believe this story btw.
svoinwe wrote:
Dr. Bob Bratton wrote:
Sorry if this sounds like a rant. I live in a NYC suburb and for the last 15 years have worked as an assistant track coach for the local high school handling the distance runners. The pay is minimal but I enjoyed working with the kids. Anyone who has coached high schoolers knows that a significant percentage of any track team have no interest in the sport but use it as an opportunity to give people grief. The first day of practice last year, while I was taking attendance, a new girl ( I'll call Tabitha) announces she is non-binary, and her pronouns are they and them. I'll admit I slip a few times and call Tabitha "she" or "hers", which she demands I change. A couple weeks into the season, things hit a boiling point when I say "Tabitha, you need to go to the long jump." She responds that I am disrespecting the nonbinary and I have to use "they," as in "Tabitha, they have to go to the long jump." I tell her that is not the way it works and I keep using "you." The next week, I'm called into a conference with the AD, Principal, Tabitha and her mom, who is a social justice coordinator for a local charity. The principal ends up telling me that the school has decided students can choose their own pronouns and if Tabitha wants to be called "they" rather than "you," I'll have to accept it. So, instead of saying "Tabitha, how are you feeling?" I have to say "Tabitha how are they feeling?"
Later on I ask her "Tabitha if they are nonbinary, why do they only run the girls races?" Her mom complains I am humiliating the non-binary.
The end result, I apply to coach again this year and am told I am not being rehired because of microaggressions against the nonbinary.
Anyone have any suggestions??
I'd have empathy for this story if you didn't misgender this person here.
If they want to go by they/them just do it who cares.
I don't believe this story btw.
How do we contact the Mods on this? This actually needs to be taken down.
This "coach" didn't even change the name of the individual!!! They used their actual name. It's easy to locate. Take this message board down!! My goodness, this kid is in high school.
The story may or may not be fake, but the responses from SJWs are real enough.
We've got a long way to go before these delusional idiots stop trying to force everyone to join the delusion. Why do people think it's a virtue?
Madness. Unreal that people take this "non-binary" garbage serious.
astro wrote:
Madness. Unreal that people take this "non-binary" garbage serious.
The question is not whether non-binary or whatever is fake, but a more serious issue is an individual being punitively forced to address someone in an unnatural and uncommon way. School districts who subscribe to this punitive garbage have completely lost it.
Bad Wigins wrote:
The story may or may not be fake, but the responses from SJWs are real enough.
We've got a long way to go before these delusional idiots stop trying to force everyone to join the delusion. Why do people think it's a virtue?
Language has become the latest battleground in a culture war. In respect to gender terminology (and sometimes race) it is no longer simply a means of communicating information. It has even gone beyond expressing values and beliefs to promoting an ideology. It is not an ideology that is shared across the community; indeed we are divided by it, in the way that Democrats and Republicans are now irreconcilably divided.
As we see in the debate about trans participation in women's sport, science has become a casualty of that ideology. At its heart is the purely subjective claim that the world is what you say it is - regardless of what reality may indicate - and that extends to self-identification. Hence, there is no middle ground in that debate, because the insistence by one side on that subjective position is an affront to the sense of reality of those who don't subscribe to it, who are on the other side of the debate.
The claim to the use of any variety of gender-related pronouns is challenging to many, because it isn't equivalent to the insistence on the use of a name, like Tom, Jane or Ali, but says we have to accept a version of the world that is determined by the use of that pronoun. Most of us believe we live in a world of men and women, of male and female - as the natural world almost entirely is - but by the use of a different language (and by a minority) we are being told that we are now wrong to think that.
The argument made consistently here is that we should simply go along with that self- indulgence, even if we don't agree with it. It is the way to avoid confrontation. But the irony in that position is that while we may be respecting that person's right to identify themselves as they choose we don't actually respect that position as the truth. We are simply saying - "whatever".
I'm glad we live in a world where kids don't call each other disrespectful names anymore.
A coach is still an educator.
That's crap english
jcaweiioj fd; wrote:
A starting point would be to admit to yourself that you handled the middle and latter portions of the situation poorly. Very poorly.
Here is how I interpret the situation:
In the beginning, you legitimately didn't understand that the athlete wanted "you" replaced with "they/them." I get it, that is not a natural substitution. When the athlete made that request, all you had to do was have a quiet conversation with them where you state that you want to honor their wishes, explain that it is not the most natural substitution so you might slip up occasionally, but that you will be trying because you do, in fact, care. That's clearly not what happened, as you kept using "you," and did so intentionally and against their stated wishes.
At this point, they rightly requested a conference with you and your superior. I work in a school system, and having a meeting with the student, parent, administrator and teacher/coach is designed to set things straight. It sounds like the principal did just that in the meeting - school policy is that students get to choose their pronouns, and staff are expected to use them. At this meeting, you should have expressed that you understood, but repeated that it is a bit of an unnatural substitution in terms of language, so you would be trying your best, but there might be the occasional slip-up. My guess is all parties would have been understanding if you had expressed this. However, you give no indication that you did anything along these lines.
After the meeting, the student, parent and administrator have every right to expect this to be a non-issue. Students that are going through something involving gender identity want to get their wishes out there, and then not be constantly confronted with the fact that it is different or controversial. Again, you did not observe or respect this. You chose to overtly needle the student on the issue of gender identity in a way that absolutely fits the definition of a microaggression. The only purpose of your comment was to draw attention (in a negative way) to the student's gender identity.
Now the principal is not renewing your role as an assistant coach, and who can blame them? They expect the adults they employ to be, at their core, caring and nurturing (you can still be tough on kids, but it should be clear their growth is the end-goal). You showed yourself to be callous at best and antagonistic at worst, and you did so in a way that caused them to have to do extra work. Case closed.
It isn't kind or caring enabling a delusion.
People who can't follow directions from their boss often get fired.
How about a jersey with just a number on the front & back?
For example, "hey, #9 get your ass to LJ". Since " they" are ALL wearing #9 ...you are covered.
Oh wait is #9 really a binary or integer.... base 10?
Honestly, file a wrongful termination lawsuit. You might think it won’t go anywhere but it will. There are plenty of cases similar this where the judge actually rules in favor of the plaintiff. It could also be a ground breaking case to put a stop to the pronoun nonsense.
middlingNAIAcoach wrote:
You quite literally refer to Tabitha as “her” through this post. Just call them whatever the f!ck they want to be called an move on. Perhaps the problem is you?
This. If the OP can't use "they" correctly in the post, I believe the OP was using "she" and "her". The OP was not fired because they used "you" That's just what the OP made up in their head - assuming the post is real.
Dr. Bob Bratton wrote:
deuces d wrote:
Sounds like they made the right call. You shouldn’t be a coach.
No doubt< I teach kids how to be winners. Now, forget about doing well, you have to be their psychiatrist. " Tabitha, would they and their alternate identity like to do any events at the meet today?"
When I was in high school, the coach would smack you in the head if you pulled a stunt like that. They did things right back then.
No, you literally just complained about people with no talent. The more you speak the more problems you reveal. I think you were fired for a long chain of events and complaints from multiple students, and this was just the final straw.
Have you ever read 1984 by George Orwell?
You might consider it given your suggestion that the poster is the problem here.
adsfasdfadsfadsf wrote:
You isn't a gendered pronoun. They is third person. You is the 2nd person of they. Something not adding up.
OP is a troll. What if the OP is talking to Tabitha about another group of people?
"They should run a loop around the school, and they should run two loops around the school."
Does that mean the other group of kids should run one loop around the school or Tabitha should run one loop around the school?