A 250+ lb co-worker claims that he ran a 4:26 mile in 2006 as a college runner and a 4:05 1500 in 2009 as an unattached guy. I find that hard to believe, and I couldn't find either of those meet results on TFRRS.
Does anyone know the year when meet results were starting to be entered in TFRRS? I'm beginning to think that the meets he claimed to have run in didn't even exist in the first place.
It seems like TIFHERS was started in like 2010 or so. 🤔 After I was done with school, unfortunately.
2010. This was my first year, so I'm lucky everything is still saved.
Have you ever seen Centro Sr, if that guy told you he ran a 4:02 in HS you'd probably laugh.
The fact he mentions a 4:05 1500 makes me feel like he's a great liar, or he actually did it.
id say 2013 is the threshold where if someone says they ran x and there's no record of it online (or at least results close to that time), they're full of crap.
i dont think you have to believe him but it is possible to be that fast and have no record of it in the late 2000s
at least these days kids get their 13.14 FAT 100m at the massapequa chiefs vs hicksville comets dual meet posted to the internet before the conclusion of the meet
As some of the above posters said, I think there is a sweet spot for results, 2008 seems to be that spot for me or so I’ve noticed. Anything before that may not be online. Another possibility is that the results were entered on Coolrunning.com. It was a huge online resource for not only road events but track events as well. Incredibly unfortunate that when they shut down the site they get rid of most of the results.
I feel fortunate to have run in the time where everything is online. I finished school in 2019, and other then a few meaningless duel meets, and 3 middle school results of mine that were deleted on coolrunning, every race I ran is pretty much online. All my PRs are also findable and online.
I can’t imagine what it was like before online archives to have to take people for their word about times they ran. Seems very frustrating, especially when you have no way to prove them wrong. I would’ve hated being a runner in the 90s.
Here’s an idea you dolt. Go on the website and find out.
TFRRS can go back awhile, but I think it was 2010 when the Outdoor qualification system for NCAA DI Nationals changed, when uploading meet results to tfrrs became mandatory. Any athlete profile prior to that will not be comprehensive.
Having been a college runner right before that change, I remember seeding was always a big deal for meets like Stanford. How much time the coach was going to shave off your PRs for the upcoming meet played a role in determining your heat or acceptance.
You probably won't be able to find those results on TFFRS but if they were run in any big meet they should be online. I ran in HS from 2004-2008 and college from 2008-2012. Most results that were achieved in a championship type meet or big invite from those years are online. It might take some digging but they usually exist. If your co-worker PRed in a Dual Meet or an All-Comers you probably won't be able to find the results. My lifetime PR in the 1500 is from an All-Comers meet in 2010 (I was more of a 5000/10000 guy during the regular season) and it doesn't exist online anymore.
That being said there is no reason why your co-worker has to be lying. I know people who have PRs way faster than 4:05/4:26 who are overweight and can't run 50 yards without injuring themselves now. Some of them haven't even hit 30 years old yet. If you really need to establish whether this guys is full of it or not you can see if there are any pictures of him when he was younger (maybe on social media?) where he looks like a runner. Or maybe ask him what his training was like back in the day. Usually it's hard to BS detailed training talk.
Direct Athletics has been around since the ambiguous Tufts duo (Jason & Dave) graduated college ~2003-04.
TFRSS became a deliverable for the NCAA by Direct Athletics in 2010-11. They signed a contract in 2009. This came about 5 years after TrackShark went kaput.
Jason Byrne, creator of Milesplit and imposter of software developer, wrote a really really long letter about it. He is essentially an idiot.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3276774&page=1
The TFRRS guys are not idiots, they are rich kids who asked their dads for startup money though.
Double post for direct link to opening page of the letter.
But why do you care? wrote:
You probably won't be able to find those results on TFFRS but if they were run in any big meet they should be online. I ran in HS from 2004-2008 and college from 2008-2012. Most results that were achieved in a championship type meet or big invite from those years are online. It might take some digging but they usually exist. If your co-worker PRed in a Dual Meet or an All-Comers you probably won't be able to find the results. My lifetime PR in the 1500 is from an All-Comers meet in 2010 (I was more of a 5000/10000 guy during the regular season) and it doesn't exist online anymore.
That being said there is no reason why your co-worker has to be lying. I know people who have PRs way faster than 4:05/4:26 who are overweight and can't run 50 yards without injuring themselves now. Some of them haven't even hit 30 years old yet. If you really need to establish whether this guys is full of it or not you can see if there are any pictures of him when he was younger (maybe on social media?) where he looks like a runner. Or maybe ask him what his training was like back in the day. Usually it's hard to BS detailed training talk.
The meets, if they existed, were medium-sized invitationals.
I dug up a picture of him that was taken in 2008. He was obviously not as fat back then, but he still looked a bit chubby.
He knows enough about training to make me believe that he ran at some point. He mentions 10-12 mile long runs, 10x400 interval sessions, and only doing two-thirds of his usual mileage 2 weeks before a key race. But I think that he's exaggerating his times and was maybe a 4:45 1500 guy at best. 4:05 is moving, I just don't see that much weight moving around the track that fast.
Another source wrote:
What about athletic.net?
https://www.athletic.net/Could it possibly be on there?
If he ran unattached, it might not be. That site occasionally removes all of the club runners and unattached guys from the results, along with anyone running for foreign colleges.
Exhibit A:
Compare
https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/meet/336526/results/m/1/100mwith
https://www.tfrrs.org/results/53633/3346743/Redlands_Invitational/Did he give the name of the meet?
I found one of my results in a still existing well known meet in which I competed sometime in the late 1990s. It is on the hosting university's website. I didn't do well in that race, to put it mildly, but the result is there and my name is misspelled.
check outside TFRRS wrote:
Did he give the name of the meet?
I found one of my results in a still existing well known meet in which I competed sometime in the late 1990s. It is on the hosting university's website. I didn't do well in that race, to put it mildly, but the result is there and my name is misspelled.
I feel ya -- my last name is only five letters long but it's one of those that has multiple slight variations (and additional never-correct versions that I've been listed under in results too).
As far as the general discussion (from two years ago?) my college conference started hosting results on its own server my junior year so I have a full archive of my performances from my last two years. Can hardly even find evidence that my races from FR and SO years were ever online, much less find the results themselves, even though I know I looked them up at the time. Even beyond running results, it's a little wild how much of the online archive is gone, and almost as surprising what snippets remain. Someone linked me to a funny forum post from 1997 the other day that was still on its original website -- there must be random snippets of stuff just sitting forgotten on dusty old servers all over the world.
1--i am decades removed from college and plenty of my soccer and track teammates have chunked up. more so soccer than track. typically the more muscular ones, the physical players, the ones who played hurt.
2--if they say they went to nationals the finals are up for decades. conferences might have the top few posted for a few decades, full results 2000s. TFRRS a little after 2010. week by week results usually 2015 or so, that seems to be when a handful of software companies got started. schools usually have records or maybe even top 10 all time posted. i got nostalgic at a point and found conference people helpful but my college SID were useless if it predated them. some of the school records are wrong.
fishy mystery wrote:
A 250+ lb co-worker claims that he ran a 4:26 mile in 2006 as a college runner and a 4:05 1500 in 2009 as an unattached guy. I find that hard to believe, and I couldn't find either of those meet results on TFRRS.
Does anyone know the year when meet results were starting to be entered in TFRRS? I'm beginning to think that the meets he claimed to have run in didn't even exist in the first place.
I would totally believe it. First off, 4:26 is just not not that fast. I know at least 3 high school milers that broke 4:12 in the full mile that are at least that heavy.
Why do you doubt him? Is it because your PR is slower or is this person a habitual braggart?
Those times are reasonable and most compulsive liar types aren't going around spewing 1500 PRs.