bugattiaron wrote:
They then allowed him unrestricted access to it, disregarding the fact that that's illegal.
You are lying. The gun was locked up. Ethan stole it.
bugattiaron wrote:
They then allowed him unrestricted access to it, disregarding the fact that that's illegal.
You are lying. The gun was locked up. Ethan stole it.
The parents and kid should be dropped into this thing, feet-first.
Then several from the school, too. And the French NRA dude after that.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
How do you know that? The school officials saw things that made them concerned. Why wouldn't they share them with the parents?
The school did show a picture to the parents, but by that time, Ethan had scribbled over it. Only the school officials saw the original picture.
Runner10287 wrote:
Raddison wrote:
I can't help but wonder how many of the posters in this thread would change their positions if the Crumbley family were black.
As in some shifting blame to social injustice while others shifting blame to neglectful/absent parents? The hardliners on both sides would do a 180 for sure.
Yes. That is the point I was making. Another poster alluded to a similar issue when he jokingly said he would need to know which way they voted before coming to a conclusion.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Raddison wrote:
Oh dear. It seems I hit a nerve. I could say don't take it personally but that would be pointless as you obviously did take it personally.
Just start a "What if Ethan was black?" thread so people who see everything in terms of race can gather.
He doesn't care what the answer to that "what if" is. He doesn't even care what the answer might be to his own alleged musings on the topic ("I can't help but wonder . . ."). The broad, unsupported insinuation of racism - when no black people are even involved - is all that posts such as Raddison's are attempting to insert.
It's standard strategy at this point for pretty much any news item - "if you disagree with me, then you must be racist." I was just surprised no one had tossed it in until page 6. This is an absolutely sub-par performance by the LRC Wokesters.
bugattiaron wrote:
Hucklebuck, Ali wrote:
Yes, we know for a fact that whenever a black person is killed by police, the media immediately conspires and attempts to sweep the whole story under the rug. Such events NEVER make national media headlines, or lead to media-inspired riot and looting binges. Never. I can't think of a single exception to that rule.
That's not what I said at all. Try a little intellectual honesty fam.
Yes, that was what you were saying ("He would have been killed by the police responding to the scene and the media would probably be sweeping it under the rug"). Unless you are now pretending there is some kind of strange, unexplained phenomena where media sensationalism on police shootings of black people does a 180 degree flip in the context of school shootings.
bugattiaron wrote:
When a school shooter is white, they're almost always taken alive. When a school shooter is a person of color, they're almost always taken out by police.
Do you have any statistics on this, or are you just making it up? I looked around and could not find anything suggesting school shooters who are black get killed by police at a greater rate than school shooters who are white. I find it hard to believe there are such statistics, or enough instances of this to be statistically meaningful. Can you really support this: "When a school shooter is a person of color, they're almost always taken out by police" with facts and statistics?
bugattiaron wrote:
And shootings with a person of color as the perpetrator typically don't get nearly as much mainstream media coverage as shootings with a white perpetrator.
Whaaa? Well wouldn't that go against nearly every narrative about how blacks are treated in the media that we've ever heard. I think you just make up whatever generalities you think suit your purposes.
I won't pass judgement on whether they should be prosecuted but I did listen to a podcast this morning that described all the interaction the school had with the parents leading up to the day of the shooting. They were clearly aware there was a problem and took no action
Naperville Runner wrote:
I won't pass judgement on whether they should be prosecuted but I did listen to a podcast this morning that described all the interaction the school had with the parents leading up to the day of the shooting. They were clearly aware there was a problem and took no action
Unclear if "they" means the parents, the school or both.
You are just as insane as the parents. Of course they knew he had the gun, they bought it for him. They may not have been 100% sure it was in his backpack, but they certainly should have realized there was a possibility. I suspect that thought crossed her mind but they didn’t want to believe it. Either way any sane person would’ve known there was a chance he had that gun – they should’ve searched the backpack. A simple search probably could’ve saved those lives.
I’m betting you would look at it in a different light if it was one of your kids that was dead
Bound4Glory wrote:
RedditisBetter wrote:
How do you know the parents didn't see them? Or similar or worse at home?
You're blasting people for making assumptions and you make an assumption yourself.
I'm not making any assumptions. That's exactly what was reported by The Detroit News:
Teacher alarmed by Oxford High suspect's drawings ahead of shooting, warned school leaders
As far as school responsibility, Ethan created violent drawings with the words "The thoughts won't stop. Help me", "Blood everywhere", "My life is useless", and "The world is dead." yet they released him without even searching his backpack. If that's an acceptable and proper response, then why bother doing anything? You will never ever find a louder and clearer cry for help. And they effectively ignored it. And now they're covering up by blaming everyone but themselves. It's pathetic. But you don't have to believe it. Take the red pill.
So the article clarifies that the school saw the pics and you ASSume the parents did not.
The school system is going to deflect in self-interest which is not correct but the PARENTS are ultimately responsible for their kid. Why are you giving them a pass? I have provided your answer below btw.
Because the current Neo-Con/Trump/GQP narrative is school system BAD! Regardless of the details.
So much hypocrisy! Preach Self accountability and self -reasonability except when ignoring those traits allows you to blast GQP's current public enemy #1 - public schools and of course blindly defend the 2nd amendment and all the sh!t that comes with it.
BOPA wrote:
You are just as insane as the parents. Of course they knew he had the gun, they bought it for him.
The parents never gave possession to Ethan. They locked the gun up at home and that's where they thought the gun was.
RedditisBetter wrote:
So the article clarifies that the school saw the pics and you ASSume the parents did not.
Wrong. The article states that the school officials saw the original picture, while the parents saw the one that had been scribbled over by Ethan.
Latest news: This is what Ethan posted on social media the night before the shootings:
"Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds. See you tomorrow Oxford."
Several parents voiced concerns about Ethan to the principle of the school before the shootings. Nothing happened.
You will never find a clearer case the school be completely negligent, covering up their own incompetence, and then putting blame on someone else. You don't have to believe it. You can begin thinking for yourself. You can begin today.
RedditisBetter wrote:
Bound4Glory wrote:
I'm not making any assumptions. That's exactly what was reported by The Detroit News:
Teacher alarmed by Oxford High suspect's drawings ahead of shooting, warned school leaders
As far as school responsibility, Ethan created violent drawings with the words "The thoughts won't stop. Help me", "Blood everywhere", "My life is useless", and "The world is dead." yet they released him without even searching his backpack. If that's an acceptable and proper response, then why bother doing anything? You will never ever find a louder and clearer cry for help. And they effectively ignored it. And now they're covering up by blaming everyone but themselves. It's pathetic. But you don't have to believe it. Take the red pill.
So the article clarifies that the school saw the pics and you ASSume the parents did not.
The school system is going to deflect in self-interest which is not correct but the PARENTS are ultimately responsible for their kid. Why are you giving them a pass? I have provided your answer below btw.
Because the current Neo-Con/Trump/GQP narrative is school system BAD! Regardless of the details.
So much hypocrisy! Preach Self accountability and self -reasonability except when ignoring those traits allows you to blast GQP's current public enemy #1 - public schools and of course blindly defend the 2nd amendment and all the sh!t that comes with it.
I don't see how the school could try to cover up anything. It's not disputed that they had concerns, the parents came to a meeting on campus and Ethan was allowed to return class.
The question is whether it was negligent for the school to allow him to return to class or at least not search his bag. A key point will be whether school officials were aware Ethan's parents had recently purchased a gun for him.
Their kid shot up a school so they obviously didn't fulfill their kids emotional needs particularly as a child. They perhaps could escape being held responsible legally for the shooting but they certainly are responsible morally if anything for failing as parents, like many "parents" who fail to fulfill a child's emotional needs.
This will all come out in lawsuits. There's a long paper trail of Ethan posting death threats, countdowns, bodily harm, etc. This goes back to at least Nov-16. The School Principle and School Superintendent were made aware of it and they publicly dismissed it.
Nobody in Oxford was surprised this shooting happened (except maybe his parents). In fact, lots of students stayed home from school that day because they were worried.
If I were you, I would at least change your position to "unsure". Maybe even take this opportunity to observe how those in power lie and use media influence to spin up massive group think.
Bound4Glory wrote:
This will all come out in lawsuits. There's a long paper trail of Ethan posting death threats, countdowns, bodily harm, etc. This goes back to at least Nov-16. The School Principle and School Superintendent were made aware of it and they publicly dismissed it.
Nobody in Oxford was surprised this shooting happened (except maybe his parents). In fact, lots of students stayed home from school that day because they were worried.
If I were you, I would at least change your position to "unsure". Maybe even take this opportunity to observe how those in power lie and use media influence to spin up massive group think.
A lot of your comments are news to me and especially in your 2nd paragraph. Can you provide some links to support them? In another post you commented that the gun was secured but I've read it was in an unlocked drawer in the master bedroom.
Your last sentence just sounds like a typical conspiracy theory nonsense.
Their attorneys claim: "That gun was actually locked, so when the prosecution is stating that this child had free access to a gun, that is...absolutely not true".
Bound4Glory wrote:
This will all come out in lawsuits. There's a long paper trail of Ethan posting death threats, countdowns, bodily harm, etc. This goes back to at least Nov-16. The School Principle and School Superintendent were made aware of it and they publicly dismissed it.
Nobody in Oxford was surprised this shooting happened (except maybe his parents). In fact, lots of students stayed home from school that day because they were worried.
If I were you, I would at least change your position to "unsure". Maybe even take this opportunity to observe how those in power lie and use media influence to spin up massive group think.
I'm just not sure how any of what you're saying absolves the parents of anything. Sure, the school may also be liable and lawsuits are being filed now, but everything that should have been a red flag to the school should have been a red flag times a thousand for the parents.