UPenn swimmer comes out as trans / switches to women's team after competing on men's team for 3 years and is dominating NCAA

You said you are “100% for trans rights,” and then you immediately pointed out an area where you are against a specific right for trans athletes. That’s the contradiction.

At best you are like 99% for trans rights, wouldn’t you agree?

You can say, “I’m not taking away their right to compete, just their right to compete in their gender.”

How is that any different from someone saying, “I’m not taking away your right to go to the bathroom, just your right to use the one that corresponds to your gender?”

SDSU Aztec wrote:

came to say wrote:

People on the left are the most evil despicable people in the world. The only way they can live with their extreme immorality is by pretending. They either pretend this is normal or pretend the things they voted for had nothing to do with this outcome. Every thing they claim to love they actually hate. In this case equal rights for women.

Lighten up. The left had nothing to do with a judge's decision back in the '70s on the issue of transgender athletes or on NCAA policies.

What judge's decision in the 70s addressed transgender athletes?

Luv2Run wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Lighten up. The left had nothing to do with a judge's decision back in the '70s on the issue of transgender athletes or on NCAA policies.

What judge's decision in the 70s addressed transgender athletes?

Renee Richard's sued women's professional tennis to be allowed to play. She was in her early 40s, hadn't played professionally as a male and was kind of meh playing women:

Wada rules apply to all sports at all levels but are mostly applied to the elite end but by no means exclusively.

I have often felt that such is an unfair selection of only one part of the population for invasive controls and as such may bring down WADA.

Tatar... wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Of course we do see that is how most women define themselves. And if it weren't so our populations would have been in decline since the 1950's, when you say women stopped defining themselves by having a womb.

Women aren't just reproductive vehicles. For centuries women fought to free themselves from such reductionist views.

No one says that's all that women are. But it is a defining characteristic of what it is to be a woman. Male biology is also a defining characteristic of what it is to be a male but it doesn't mean that "maleness" ends at that point.

liar soorer wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Isn't it a little unusual to be a woman who has never had one? Or ovaries? Or maybe periods? Testicles are certainly quite a turn up for the books.

Have you done no reading as to the difference between sex and gender.

Oh I forgot; are proud to admit that you post on subjects you refuse to read about.

I have never admitted to anything that you claim I have. Your user name accurately describes what you are - a liar.

liar soorer wrote:

America's fury wrote:

Making things up to feel special about yourself isn't a free pass to invade women's sports.

Never said trans should compete with women and indeed I don’t think they should.

But they say they are women. Are you now saying they aren't?

Actually between clicking reply and clicking post reply, and only for this thread, I e decided I'm female. Therefore every post of mine is as a woman.

That is allowed now

Armstronglivs wrote:

liar soorer wrote:

Never said trans should compete with women and indeed I don’t think they should.

But they say they are women. Are you now saying they aren't?

No,

It seems a reasonable social construction that they have restricted rights in sport.

Oh; an other subject not to bother reading about.

RunRagged wrote:

Mixed-sex sports have special rules specifically for them. Once you introduce a male into a women's league, it is no longer a women's league.

You didn’t have to write any more after this. No one is saying we should “introduce a male into a women’s league.” The UPenn swimmer is a woman. It says so right on her bio. There is no “male” being introduced.

You continually use a website called “mumsnet” as you’re authoritative source on this issue, and that’s ridiculous as well. Do really expect someone’s opinion on this very controversial issue to be swayed by the opinions of British housewives?

liar soorer wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

But they say they are women. Are you now saying they aren't?

No,

It seems a reasonable social construction that they have restricted rights in sport.

Oh; an other subject not to bother reading about.

It's clear you haven't. They say they are women - that is their gender - so why should they be restricted from playing women's sport, unless you are saying biology is the critical factor after all.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

RunRagged wrote:

Mixed-sex sports have special rules specifically for them. Once you introduce a male into a women's league, it is no longer a women's league.

You didn’t have to write any more after this. No one is saying we should “introduce a male into a women’s league.” The UPenn swimmer is a woman. It says so right on her bio. There is no “male” being introduced.

You continually use a website called “mumsnet” as you’re authoritative source on this issue, and that’s ridiculous as well. Do really expect someone’s opinion on this very controversial issue to be swayed by the opinions of British housewives?

Her bio is a fiction. "She" is not a "male"; that is a biological term. Her male biological characteristics have not been eradicated by virtue of her identifying as a female.

Do really expect someone’s opinion on this very controversial issue to be swayed by the opinions of British housewives?[/quote]

For someone who claims to assume an enlightened position on these issues that's a blatantly sexist comment. Why should British housewives know less about what it is to be a woman than an American male, who, as far as we are aware, has never been a woman?

Tatar... wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

But really - none of them can ever be mothers. Ever. Or even a period or two. Isn't that a little unusual for women?

Women aren't defined by their womb. Go back to the 1950s please!

Look, everyone, an idiot.

Lenny Leonard wrote:

RunRagged wrote:

Mixed-sex sports have special rules specifically for them. Once you introduce a male into a women's league, it is no longer a women's league.

You didn’t have to write any more after this. No one is saying we should “introduce a male into a women’s league.” The UPenn swimmer is a woman. It says so right on her bio. There is no “male” being introduced.

You continually use a website called “mumsnet” as you’re authoritative source on this issue, and that’s ridiculous as well. Do really expect someone’s opinion on this very controversial issue to be swayed by the opinions of British housewives?

You can’t be this dumb. You’re obviously part of the transgenda. As a lifelong liberal/moderate who supports many traditional left wing principles, people like you make me sick. Stop contaminating the left with your transgenda. You should be deported.

Armstronglivs wrote:

liar soorer wrote:

No,

It seems a reasonable social construction that they have restricted rights in sport.

Oh; an other subject not to bother reading about.

It's clear you haven't. They say they are women - that is their gender - so why should they be restricted from playing women's sport, unless you are saying biology is the critical factor after all.

Because of their biological history.

One of balance, like all social construction of morality.

Do read stuff.Oh ! you never do.

As a starter try John Rawls.Or even go back to Kant.

But then you never got round to reading the WADA Code even after a 100 plus posts.

game over. wrote:

https://swimswam.com/penns-lia-thomas-breaks-200-500-free-records-in-meet-with-princeton-cornell/https://www.outkick.com/penn-swimmer-who-competed-as-a-male-for-three-seasons-now-dominating-womens-swimming/

It should, why not. It's a different sport. If the point of this is to show the ridiculousness of it all, I hope she tries to make that happen.

I just decided to identify as a 5 year old. Can’t wait to break every swimming age group record next summer.

If you bring up the date of birth of my birth certificate, then you are a bigot. I am a hero and brave for finally living my best Transage life. Once I pluck all these grey hairs you won’t even be able to tell.