UPenn swimmer comes out as trans / switches to women's team after competing on men's team for 3 years and is dominating NCAA

Sicko

People on the left are the most evil despicable people in the world. The only way they can live with their extreme immorality is by pretending. They either pretend this is normal or pretend the things they voted for had nothing to do with this outcome. Every thing they claim to love they actually hate. In this case equal rights for women.

The future of women’s sports is men.

Feminists need to stop, not encourage this.

It is only a matter of time before a man competing as a woman defeats a major American female star athlete on the Olympic stage in front of a huge American audience. It will take a man beating Katie Ledecky, Sydney McLaughlin, Simone Biles (although I doubt a man could beat a woman in women's gymnastics any more than a woman could beat a man in men's gymnastics), Mikaela Shiffrin, Serena Williams, or some other famous American woman for people to wake up. Some guy swimming on the UPenn swim team isn't even a slight ripple in the water. A man beating Ledecky in Paris would be a tsunami and will bring about a return to common sense.

At least there is no risk for a competitor getting her skull fractured in swimming, unlike MMA and Fallon Fox.

came to say wrote:

People on the left are the most evil despicable people in the world. The only way they can live with their extreme immorality is by pretending. They either pretend this is normal or pretend the things they voted for had nothing to do with this outcome. Every thing they claim to love they actually hate. In this case equal rights for women.

Lighten up. The left had nothing to do with a judge's decision back in the '70s on the issue of transgender athletes or on NCAA policies.

Being forced to compete with men in sports is a violation of womens rights.

the world turned upside down wrote:

(although I doubt a man could beat a woman in women's gymnastics any more than a woman could beat a man in men's gymnastics).

What makes you say that? In pretty much every sport, elite women perform at about the level of high school boys. Gymnastics is no different.

The most despicable people in the world? Worse than torturers, murderers, rapists, tyrants, people who try to overthrow and destroy the United States of America? The trans issue is none of that. If biological males dominate women's sports, that is unjust but let's not get carried away. It is a legal issue depending on the lack of a clear essentialist means of differentiating all men from all women in a voluntaristic society where conservatives and liberals alike in their different ways have pushed individual choice to define identity. Even the conservatives would claim homosexuality is a choice. Some liberals--many actually disagree--think that gender is also a choice. Then if we accept others' choices, we accept this one. Another rationale would be needed, e.g. the aims of competition. By the way, domination of a tri meet and a national caliber time is not enough. Lots of female swimmers have swum much faster. Find a stronger argument, or any argument.

Thomas in 2018 as a Penn freshman:

https://swimswam.com/will-thomas-sets-pool-record-penn-hosts-west-chester/

Most photos of Thomas as Will have been removed from the Penn website. Now there's only these.

Sophomore year men's swim and dive team photo, second row, fifth from the right:

https://pennathletics.com/sports/mens-swimming-and-diving/roster/2018-19

Sophomore year individual profile:

https://pennathletics.com/sports/mens-swimming-and-diving/roster/will-thomas/14590

OozmaKappa wrote:

the world turned upside down wrote:

(although I doubt a man could beat a woman in women's gymnastics any more than a woman could beat a man in men's gymnastics).

What makes you say that? In pretty much every sport, elite women perform at about the level of high school boys. Gymnastics is no different.

Men have some advantage on floor and vault, although the advantage in the latter is smaller than you'd think. (Women's vault is10cm lower, so harder to do the same skill.)

Men are not used to doing beam and uneven bars. Okay. the latter has some similarity to horizontal bars and parallel bars, so some skills translate. But there is nothing comparable to beam in men's statistics. And men have disadvantage in flexibility.

the world turned upside down wrote:

It is only a matter of time before a man competing as a woman defeats a major American female star athlete on the Olympic stage in front of a huge American audience. It will take a man beating Katie Ledecky, Sydney McLaughlin, Simone Biles (although I doubt a man could beat a woman in women's gymnastics any more than a woman could beat a man in men's gymnastics), Mikaela Shiffrin, Serena Williams, or some other famous American woman for people to wake up. Some guy swimming on the UPenn swim team isn't even a slight ripple in the water. A man beating Ledecky in Paris would be a tsunami and will bring about a return to common sense.

At least there is no risk for a competitor getting her skull fractured in swimming, unlike MMA and Fallon Fox.

Any anger regarding Fox should be directed at the fight promoters. They have 100% control over who gets signed to fights and transgender rights have nothing to with it.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

OozmaKappa wrote:

What makes you say that? In pretty much every sport, elite women perform at about the level of high school boys. Gymnastics is no different.

Men have some advantage on floor and vault, although the advantage in the latter is smaller than you'd think. (Women's vault is10cm lower, so harder to do the same skill.)

Men are not used to doing beam and uneven bars. Okay. the latter has some similarity to horizontal bars and parallel bars, so some skills translate. But there is nothing comparable to beam in men's statistics. And men have disadvantage in flexibility.

The great Paul Hunt, a US coach of girls' & women's gymnastics who in the 1980s did women's gymnastics routines as a comedy act at widely-televised elite events:

The assumption that all male-bodied people are taller, stronger, and more highly skilled in a sport than all female-bodied people is not accurate.

this is a deliberately false premise.

No one assumes that ALL males are better than ALL females. Of course this is clearly false.

In fact they seem to be countering an assumption that noone is making.

a certain party is stating that elevated testosterone in puberty and afterwards is known to convey certain effects to the body which are advantageous in certain sports.

The athlete in question is selfish jerk who only cares about himself without any regard for the rights of others. And the rest of us are supposed to just go along with this narcissism. The athlete feelings or sense of identity are simply not that important.

Simone Biles (although I doubt a man could beat a woman in women's gymnastics any more than a woman could beat a man in men's gymnastics)

There's not really any reason why men can't do women's gymnastics and there's basically no skills the women do that the man can't already do. The only problem is they might need to where a cup while doing beam. The women on the other hand would struggle with the upper body strenght intensive men's apparatus especially rings.

Very good. She is exposing equity, unfairness in sports. Your gender should not matter in evaluating your skill. We are all humans

“Being trans has not affected my ability to do this sport and being able to continue is very rewarding,” Thomas told Penn Today."

What a self-centered, selfish, delusional person. No on, but NO ONE says you can't continue to compete with men-your true sex. However, he wants to beat up on women and, not only brag about it, but get "rewarded" for it. He is sick, but not as sick as those who support it.