Shelby Houlihan Sets Up a Gofundme and Website

My Occam’s Razer is programmed differently from yours.

It is inconceivable that an athlete on whereabouts would go near a drug so highly detectable, perhaps months with granddaughter metabolites.

I repeat that Tyson Fury created havoc with the boar meat defence, so again I have a different razor.

Kenster5000 wrote:

I read the information on her website and now I'm embarrassed for Houlihan on a completely new level. Creating a website called "clear Shelby"? Are you kidding me? A $300K Gofundme ask? Are you serious? Whatever shred of dignity and credibility Houlihan had were completely vaporized by this move. Shelby, take the L and move on with your life. Continuing to fight it like this is pathetic and is going to turn any remaining fans against you.

True. Plus there is no fighting left, just PR after she lost her appeal.

About the $300K - someone posted her estimated net worth on JG's twitter ($1-5M). Not bad for a 28 year old.

casual obsever wrote:

About the $300K - someone posted her estimated net worth on JG's twitter ($1-5M). Not bad for a 28 year old.

I doubt she's worth anything close to $5 million but the $1 million could be reasonable. The same source has Emma Coburn's at $1.5 million. Coburn's career is light-years ahead of anything HouliBan will ever do, not to mention she has a huge social media following. Either way, HouliBan has the money to pay for her own lawyers. She certainly had the money to get the nandrolone on the Black Market.

liar soorer wrote:

I repeat that Tyson Fury created havoc with the boar meat defence

What was the final word there? Looks like he did get a backdated 2-year ban in a "compromise", according to this here:

Ukad insist that a threat of a loss of earnings lawsuit, if Fury won, played no part in their decision.

Nevertheless, the conclusion of this long-running saga will be hailed as a victory by all parties with Ukad getting an admission of guilt and Fury given clearance to resume his career.

Did he get cleared later?

liar soorer wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Well she did get banned for four years for roiding. That she cheated, is a lot more than just a belief.

Rules don’t rule on cheating; strict liability , no mens rea.

Yes I know. CAS ruled on doping.

casual obsever wrote:

liar soorer wrote:

I repeat that Tyson Fury created havoc with the boar meat defence

What was the final word there? Looks like he did get a backdated 2-year ban in a "compromise", according to this here:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/42329394

Ukad insist that a threat of a loss of earnings lawsuit, if Fury won, played no part in their decision.

Nevertheless, the conclusion of this long-running saga will be hailed as a victory by all parties with Ukad getting an admission of guilt and Fury given clearance to resume his career.

Did he get cleared later?

I don’t think anyone knows.

By the time of his social drug binge and ballooning in weight and mental problems settled the two years had gone.

So both sides sort of gave up and walked away.

He did have a test refusal that also melted away.

My point is that his defence did create havoc and cost ukad nearly $1m.

So if you had a nandrolone positive then there would be merit in going the boars meat route esp if you had a receipt for the food prior to the test.

As for Fury ; I don’t think he is under UKAD now; bet they are pleased.

inspector_gadget wrote:

I did a quick CTRL+F for the term "burrito" and there were zero matches.

try again lol. there is at least one good post now -

Matt D donated $5

Shelby, When I was in high school, everyday I would go to Chipotle and ask for a double wrapped burrito with extra beans, extra meat, extra rice, extra cheese, and sour cream. For years I felt terrible afterwards, and my doctor told me it was my cholesterol. Stunned to find that I was likely eating uncastrated boar meat in titan sized helpings. THANK YOU for exposing these burrito companies for what they are. I just wish the uncastrated boar meat made me as good at lacrosse as it made you at running. Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving and be careful what you eat! Matt

For every hundred dollars you donate she should give you a free burrito.

Get a dang job Shelby! Pay for your own stuff like the rest of us.

Full disclosure: I initially had a degree of sympathy for Houlihan. Mainly on the process front. Am also a big long time fan of BTC, plus Schumacher since his Wisconsin days.

A few things influenced me, but chiefly being WADA and the AIU *did* butcher the handling of her case. Half the arguments made by Houlihan's lawyer could have been easily quashed by the AIU if a) they hadn't sat on their thumbs doing nothing for months instead of formally charging Houlihan b) just don't the additional testing, if they were so confident and evidence so strong, just do the additional testing and be done with it, c) fire Lab Director Ayotte given she's already perjured herself once before and is as such a suspicious expert witness. Do those three very easy things and Houlihan's argument of due process not being followed gets blown out of the water. If WADA had charged her promptly , done all available tests, and had a less controversial lab director as witness, I'd have been fully on their side.

To this day, I think even has belief has swung back against Houlihan, WADA are still getting off light with criticism on the above issues. The CAS panel only went 2-1 in their favour on the question of due process vs 3-0 on the actual question of an ADRV. If you belive Houlihan guilty, that means we were just one judge away from her getting off scot free for no reason other than WADA and the AIU being a mess. If you're a fan of clean sport, it should worry you that an otherwise slam dunk case almost came off the rails for totally avoidable reasons.

BUT

All that aside.

For all the concerns I have with the process, what the actual fork and knife is this go fund me. She paid $300,000 for this case? She had 300k that was liquid, near liquid, or easily borrowed that she could throw at this and now she's trying to recoup it? She was probably one of the most well off athletes in the whole sport (Americans being disproportionately well paid vs rest of world, and she was near the top of the US pyramid). Per her insta, she drives a new Jeep Rubicon or wrangler (2019 model can go second hand for 50k), and also has a Volkswagen van that she used to go van camping with this summer. She has two cars and she is having a go fund me? Does she have more than two properties? Investments? Does she have a 9-5? We don't know!

If she had said how she had to sell her house and two cars to try prove her innocence and was trying to train through a 9-5, and that after all that she was 300k in debt still, then maybe a gofundme would be more appropriate. But there is no evidence to suggest thats the case.

Supremely inappropriate, and tone deaf - to athletes who make way less than she does with fewer resources, and in the wider context of the struggles in the world that she thinks people's spare cash can find an appropriate destination in her bank account just so she can maintain a lifestyle she feels entitled too? What heck. Smells like cow excrement.

Cinderellaaa wrote:

inspector_gadget wrote:

I did a quick CTRL+F for the term "burrito" and there were zero matches.

try again lol. there is at least one good post now -

Matt D donated $5

Shelby, When I was in high school, everyday I would go to Chipotle and ask for a double wrapped burrito with extra beans, extra meat, extra rice, extra cheese, and sour cream. For years I felt terrible afterwards, and my doctor told me it was my cholesterol. Stunned to find that I was likely eating uncastrated boar meat in titan sized helpings. THANK YOU for exposing these burrito companies for what they are. I just wish the uncastrated boar meat made me as good at lacrosse as it made you at running. Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving and be careful what you eat! Matt

Matt D doesn't have to contribute to Shelby's fund if he doesn't want to but being an a**hole about it isn't necessary.

I can't believe people trust the "net worth" estimations that websites have for famous indviduals, especially for unfamous individuals like Shelby H. Those websites have no idea what are an individual's income streams, inheritence, student loan debts, medical expenses, asset allocation, etc.

Nick Symmonds says his income as an athlete was $100k-$200k/yr in his prime, in his most successful year knocking on $300k. But he has income streams from his super successful Youtube channel, probably gets a salary as CEO of RunGum, etc.

jamin wrote:

Nick Symmonds says his income as an athlete was $100k-$200k/yr in his prime, in his most successful year knocking on $300k. But he has income streams from his super successful Youtube channel, probably gets a salary as CEO of RunGum, etc.

I should clarify that by "income as an athlete" I mean his sponsorships plus prize money plus appearances fees and so on, minus the cut his agent takes and any expenses that aren't comped. His other income, which is of course derived from being an athlete, is on top of that.

another perspective wrote:

A few things influenced me, but chiefly being WADA and the AIU *did* butcher the handling of her case. Half the arguments made by Houlihan's lawyer could have been easily quashed by the AIU if a) they hadn't sat on their thumbs doing nothing for months instead of formally charging Houlihan b) just don't the additional testing, if they were so confident and evidence so strong, just do the additional testing and be done with it, c) fire Lab Director Ayotte given she's already perjured herself once before and is as such a suspicious expert witness.

Ummm....

a) ok, but they are always that slow if not even slower

b) What additional testing? PK? Too late for that.

c) Ayotte has not "perjured herself once before". That's just a nasty rumor that Rojo started without any evidence whatsoever.

RE "2-1 in their favour on the question of due process": unfortunately that was an all encompassing vote, meaning we do not know what exactly the one judge's problem was. One of the issues debated was that the lab *should* have asked for a 2nd opinion but did not (because they thought the case was so obvious).

But yes, the gofundme stuff is ridiculous.

She won’t come close to the $300k as donations have dried up.

I foresee a porn tape coming soon featuring this lady.

I find it interesting that Ayotte was allowed to be a witness to fact and also an expert witness and she is hardly neutral as she is head of a WADA funded lab who’s rules the case is being run under and she is a regular contributor to WADA affairs.

The grounds for appeal ?

And no mention of the CAS report making it clear that the excuses offered were completely scientifically implausible i.e. they were offally laughable. Will this madness ever stop?

Also, why haven’t Nike and BTC helped their professional athlete ? Win at all costs or we dump you?

If Nike, her coach, and her teammates really thought she was innocent you would see their names loud and proud on their donations. The lack of donations is pretty much an admission that they know she doped.