How are cases and deaths and hospitalizations never getting better despite widespread vaccination and previous infection?

Runningart2004 wrote:

Over 700,000 COVID deaths in US. Leading cause of death. But yes all coroners in the US are in cahoots! It's a conspiracy.

Alan

How is this possible?

Vaccines are safe and effective.

More deaths in 2021 with 2/3rd of us vaxxed and many more with natural immunity than in 2020 when there was no vaxx.

How to sell two opposite claims ... vaccines work and are safe vs. be afraid

Dear imbecile:

In my state, since Jan 1, Deaths Unvaxxed: 2576 Deaths Vaxxed: 380

Good luck.

I also had an Vaccinated 80+ relative contract Covid19. Not even hospitalized.

joed|rt wrote:

3x vaxxed guy wrote:

Wasn’t a supposed benefit of mRNA that new formulations could be created and produced quickly in the event of new variants? That never happened.

There is no light at the end of the tunnel anymore. Life is just going to be hopeless COVID hell forever unless you’re lucky enough to live in a red state.

They are in final stage trials with them according to a article from late September:

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2021/09/29/delta-booster

The reason the current boosters appear to not work for very long is likely because they provide incomplete coverage.

And like a dog chasing cars, a new variant has emerged from HIV rich South Africa with ten spike mutations (delta was able to evade vaccines with two main spike mutations). This sucks.

Rodger Bannister's mom wrote:

Dear imbecile:

In my state, since Jan 1, Deaths Unvaxxed: 2576 Deaths Vaxxed: 380

Good luck.

I also had an Vaccinated 80+ relative contract Covid19. Not even hospitalized.

This old story again. Everyone dying with covid death If you are not vaccinated but If you are vaccinated you suddenly died due to a heart attack again.

sayyestonepotism wrote:

Rodger Bannister's mom wrote:

Dear imbecile:

In my state, since Jan 1, Deaths Unvaxxed: 2576 Deaths Vaxxed: 380

Good luck.

I also had an Vaccinated 80+ relative contract Covid19. Not even hospitalized.

This old story again. Everyone dying with covid death If you are not vaccinated but If you are vaccinated you suddenly died due to a heart attack again.

Keep your head in the sand.

Rodger Bannister's mom wrote:

Dear imbecile:

In my state, since Jan 1, Deaths Unvaxxed: 2576 Deaths Vaxxed: 380

Good luck.

I also had an Vaccinated 80+ relative contract Covid19. Not even hospitalized.

Who counts as "vaxxed" and who counts as "unvaxxed" ?

Rodger Bannister's mom wrote:

Dear imbecile:

In my state, since Jan 1, Deaths Unvaxxed: 2576 Deaths Vaxxed: 380

Good luck.

I also had an Vaccinated 80+ relative contract Covid19. Not even hospitalized.

Who counts as "vaxxed" and who counts as "unvaxxed" ?

sayyestonepotism wrote:

Rodger Bannister's mom wrote:

Dear imbecile:

In my state, since Jan 1, Deaths Unvaxxed: 2576 Deaths Vaxxed: 380

Good luck.

I also had an Vaccinated 80+ relative contract Covid19. Not even hospitalized.

This old story again. Everyone dying with covid death If you are not vaccinated but If you are vaccinated you suddenly died due to a heart attack again.

Keep your head in the sand.

The hospitals are killing the people, not the virus. I’d take some Ivermectin for a few days long before you put your life in the hands of these sales people. Don’t be fools.

Seeing all the continuous mutations makes me think this virus was designed in a lab as a bio weapon or something..

The virus is obviously doing what it was designed to do. Last man standing wins.

Hi, my name is simpleton. I heard something which seemed compelling so now I will repeat it. Hundreds of thousands dead! Me oh my!

One question? Is this count being tabulated by the same bureaucracy that’s handles elections, that same apparatus that somehow manages to count the votes of dead people, which, when pressed to recount its results arrives at radically different results.

I just want to be assured that your full faith and confidence in the system isn’t misplaced, not being maybe perhaps the consequence of inherited ideas.

carmine9 wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Over 700,000 COVID deaths in US. Leading cause of death. But yes all coroners in the US are in cahoots! It's a conspiracy.

Alan

How is this possible?

Vaccines are safe and effective.

More deaths in 2021 with 2/3rd of us vaxxed and many more with natural immunity than in 2020 when there was no vaxx.

How to sell two opposite claims ... vaccines work and are safe vs. be afraid

Do flu vaccines work? Do you get an annual flu vaccine?

No one is trying to sell you anything. You are just too ignorant and proud to listen to infectious disease experts.

The COVID vaccine makes people safer by reducing symptoms and lethality. There are still symptoms. There is still death. But at a reduced rate.

COVID is mutating a lot. Viruses like COVID will continue to mutate in order to live. They will mutate in order to continue to spread. The Delta variant is as infectious as chicken pox...which before vaccination EVERY kid got chicken pox.

So the end state is a COVID variant that continues to spread regardless of vaccination status. The hope is the virus mutates to a more infectious but less lethal variant OR....maybe a more lethal variant but less infectious is better for the long term so it kills at a great rate but doesn't spread. At this point I am not sure what is worse.

You can't cure ignorance so at this point we are at the end game for vaccination.

Alan

Predictably(unless you're a sheep), we have a new "variant(s)". Now the predictable lockdowns, fear mongering and boosters will roll out. I'm right again. This never ends. Revenue stream for big pharma. The sheep fail to acknowledge this and continue to discredit and ignore me. Their loss, oh well.

joed|rty wrote:

joed|rt wrote:

They are in final stage trials with them according to a article from late September:

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2021/09/29/delta-booster

The reason the current boosters appear to not work for very long is likely because they provide incomplete coverage.

And like a dog chasing cars, a new variant has emerged from HIV rich South Africa with ten spike mutations (delta was able to evade vaccines with two main spike mutations). This sucks.

Delta is not particularly immune evasive - it just transmits and infects easier. SA is pretty minimally vaccinated.

The boosters appear to work very well, certainly better than 2 shots?

Also, plenty of reason to not give a delta specific vax. Delta is farther from the “average” variant mutation wise than the original strain. It’s possible that delta specific antibodies could be less reactive against other strains already circulating. The current vaccines give good neutralization against all strains tested. Multivalent vaccines would probably be the best option IMO.

According to the people who make them, yes, they work, unless they don’t but that would be considered an outlier case explainable in terms that can only be understood by the person explaining them.

Actually they ARE selling something, you nit wit. You see your government has already paid for them, you seem dumb enough to at least understand how taxes work.

Why people like you are so attached to the “vaccine” solution is obvious and a little bit sickening. Because it requires no effort, you go get your shot and than carry on about you pathetic consumer life criticizing others. Forget the fact that this virus was likely man made, that’s not the issue, and if it was, well that might require solutions that require effort energy responsibility and attention, all of which would interfere with your purchases and vacations.

If anything this “pandemic” shows a desperate need for a radical change in civilization. But, YOU, you don’t want that, YOU want things to stay exactly as they are; You choose the path that requires the least effort and minimal change. It almost as if you have a personal stake in the way things are. Or you’ve been taught to believe this

Runningart2004 wrote:

The COVID vaccine makes people safer by reducing symptoms and lethality. There are still symptoms. There is still death. But at a reduced rate.

The IFR was already down to 0.3% in December, 2020, the very month the mRNA goop was rolled out (Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University).

Why should I get a rapidly dissipating experimental shot with who knows how many "boosters" to follow for a virus that kills 3 people for every 1,000 it infects ?

Geert is going to proven right, of course, in the full manner of time.

Happy Nu Year everyone…