Rana Reider to be investigated by SafeSport over sexual misconduct claims

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""""""'"--';"- wrote:

seriously tho wrote:

Genuinely shocked at how common this seems to be. Like what machiavellian manipulation crap do these middle age coach use to repeatedly end up having sex with (much younger) female athletes in EXCLUSIVELY toxic, borderline abusive, borderline criminally illegal ways over the course of years and decades. And it always happens multiple times before any woman speaks out. And then it's always an open secret that everyone knew about. Like wtf.

Women (and girls under 18) are naturally attracted to men in position of authority. Couple this with spending a lot of time together and/or talking to each other and things can escalate. Believe me I know women very well and understand human psychology to the fullest extent. Just act like a man in an authoritative position in any setting and you can get women like Donald Trump.

D.J.T. is emotional, feminine and very sensitive, but I wouldn't exactly refer to him as a woman.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""""""'"--';"- wrote:

seriously tho wrote:

Genuinely shocked at how common this seems to be. Like what machiavellian manipulation crap do these middle age coach use to repeatedly end up having sex with (much younger) female athletes in EXCLUSIVELY toxic, borderline abusive, borderline criminally illegal ways over the course of years and decades. And it always happens multiple times before any woman speaks out. And then it's always an open secret that everyone knew about. Like wtf.

Women (and girls under 18) are naturally attracted to men in position of authority. Couple this with spending a lot of time together and/or talking to each other and things can escalate. Believe me I know women very well and understand human psychology to the fullest extent. Just act like a man in an authoritative position in any setting and you can get women like Donald Trump.

Naturally attracted to men in positions of authority - WTF! You have no idea about women...you have no idea how manipulative these men are, they are sexual abusers, opportunists, power mad egotistical megalomaniacs who prey on vulnerable teenage girls. putting the blame on these women shows your complete lack of empathy or understanding

When will predatorial lesbians come into the cross hairs?

runlets123 wrote:

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""""""'"--';"- wrote:

Women (and girls under 18) are naturally attracted to men in position of authority. Couple this with spending a lot of time together and/or talking to each other and things can escalate. Believe me I know women very well and understand human psychology to the fullest extent. Just act like a man in an authoritative position in any setting and you can get women like Donald Trump.

Naturally attracted to men in positions of authority - WTF! You have no idea about women...you have no idea how manipulative these men are, they are sexual abusers, opportunists, power mad egotistical megalomaniacs who prey on vulnerable teenage girls. putting the blame on these women shows your complete lack of empathy or understanding

This is exactly what DOESNT make sense to me. I cannot understand how there is a magic order of words that these old, often pudgy, often ugly guys could possible say that is somehow unconsciously coercing 20-somethings in to sexual stuff. Makes no sense to me.

Whatever it is, it is something with no gray area. Like, it is either threats, blatant harassment, or just a consensual relationship. I cannot fathom that there is actually horde of people who coach so they can subtely, slowly mold someone's mind through weeks or months of emotional and mental manipulation with the intent to coerce them into sex or sexual stuff, AND that there are a bunch of fat 50 year old white dudes who are experts at it???

Well it doesn't have to be a fatty... and not subtle either.

See here for example - first allegations came in 2006, University didn't act before 2019.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6579652/guelph-university-toxic-environment/

There of course was also a long thread on letsrun, with plenty of supporters of the abuser.

Shocked that people think its OK to have a system where a coach pressures athletes to sleep with him. What is wrong with you.

People seem to be conflating normal behavior with what sounds like creep behavior here. I.e. there's a difference between dating one of your athletes as something that just happens, vs. treating them as a pool of conquests to bang for decades.

The first might be a bit weird and probably shouldn't happen until the athlete graduates (in college), but the second is predatory. It's like the difference between a boss marrying his secretary vs. trying to sleep with every secretary.

Ho Hum wrote:

People seem to be conflating normal behavior with what sounds like creep behavior here. I.e. there's a difference between dating one of your athletes as something that just happens, vs. treating them as a pool of conquests to bang for decades.

The first might be a bit weird and probably shouldn't happen until the athlete graduates (in college), but the second is predatory. It's like the difference between a boss marrying his secretary vs. trying to sleep with every secretary.

liar soorer wrote:

Ho Hum wrote:

People seem to be conflating normal behavior with what sounds like creep behavior here. I.e. there's a difference between dating one of your athletes as something that just happens, vs. treating them as a pool of conquests to bang for decades.

The first might be a bit weird and probably shouldn't happen until the athlete graduates (in college), but the second is predatory. It's like the difference between a boss marrying his secretary vs. trying to sleep with every secretary.

I take your point about “ normal” and “ creppy” but changing times blurs the difference even more.

Anything that resembles a sexual or overbearing or anything that is not new PC correct behaviour will risk deep doom. This leaves aside malicious comment or indeed rumour.

Any hint must now lead to suspension etc etc.

Why risk coaching esp if not paid?

liar soorer wrote:

Ho Hum wrote:

People seem to be conflating normal behavior with what sounds like creep behavior here. I.e. there's a difference between dating one of your athletes as something that just happens, vs. treating them as a pool of conquests to bang for decades.

The first might be a bit weird and probably shouldn't happen until the athlete graduates (in college), but the second is predatory. It's like the difference between a boss marrying his secretary vs. trying to sleep with every secretary.

All blurred now; who in his right mind would risk coaching with any rumour having to result in suspension .

"I can make or break your athletic career, and by the way - without that you might have no academic career and thus no professional career either". Either said out right or indirectly.

Correct , but then such can be falsely rumoured and the coach is dead meat.

All too risky; too too risky.

name one coach who has been falsely accused...

A gentleman by the name of Brian Winning.

He committed suicide.

runlets123 wrote:

name one coach who has been falsely accused...

I could but don’t want to re raise.

We have no idea who has had to “ go” under false pressure.

And it is also a situation of changing values and getting caught in something that was previously ok.

So your saying at one point it was acceptable to sexually abuse and manipulate athletes, and now it's not?

That's because you're an average LRC skinny milquetoast with no game.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""""""'"--';"- wrote:

seriously tho wrote:

Genuinely shocked at how common this seems to be. Like what machiavellian manipulation crap do these middle age coach use to repeatedly end up having sex with (much younger) female athletes in EXCLUSIVELY toxic, borderline abusive, borderline criminally illegal ways over the course of years and decades. And it always happens multiple times before any woman speaks out. And then it's always an open secret that everyone knew about. Like wtf.

Women (and girls under 18) are naturally attracted to men in position of authority. Couple this with spending a lot of time together and/or talking to each other and things can escalate. Believe me I know women very well and understand human psychology to the fullest extent. Just act like a man in an authoritative position in any setting and you can get women like Donald Trump.

It's official STEVE THE ADDICT lives in his mother's basement and has never been with a women.

runlets123 wrote:

So your saying at one point it was acceptable to sexually abuse and manipulate athletes, and now it's not?

The definition of acceptable has changed and you would have not attached abuse or manipulation to such.

Also, some not very distant time ago it was deemed ok to put athletes into technical positions and it was ok to engage in jokes.

So what is deemed ok today may well flip in a few years leaving coaches exposed.