Cincy got shafted by the CFP Committee

Yeah the goalposts always move for the committee. They have like 10 different excuses they will pull at any time need be where they contradict a previous statement they made. That's what also makes their charade so nonsensical. How is Michigan State now below Michigan? MichSt won head to head last week and they both have 1 loss. You can't justify that.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:

Yeah the goalposts always move for the committee. They have like 10 different excuses they will pull at any time need be where they contradict a previous statement they made. That's what also makes their charade so nonsensical. How is Michigan State now below Michigan? MichSt won head to head last week and they both have 1 loss. You can't justify that.

They won a squeaker at home and got crushed on the road. Pretty easy to think Mich. is the better team. Not to mention it doesnt matter. If Mich St wins out, they will pass Mich. If either of then loses, then they are eliminated. Same thing for Ohio St..

Realistically Cincy needs Oklahoma, oregon, Alabama to lose or have the big 10 all get 2 loses. Could happen but they need things to break their way.

Fair points on PSU… no disagreement there. But, remember when LSU won the title (pre-Orgeron) under Les Miles the same year they had two losses? I think the losses were both close & in OT. The committee elevated LSU to the 2nd spot w lots of complaining. Yet, LSU won the championship.

Lots of hard fought battles in a tough conference matter. SOS matters. Cincy hasn’t had that. Also, MU leapfrogged MSU bcuz the committee probably thinks if they played ten times, MU would win seven of them. The loss was very close on the road. Whichever Big Ten team wins out from here is probably in.

kw1954 wrote:

Well, I got the #1-6 order right except for Oklahoma at #8. I think Alabama is overrated at #2.

I think they should be exactly reversed. Other than Michigan and Michigan State should be reversed at #6&7, I think #1-10 is accurate at the point.

Nice job!...are you on the committee by chance? Lol. I got #1-5 right on a preview post that I was explaining to a ND fan that I thought the Fighting Irish could end up #6. The Cinncinati fans can quit complaining now because this is exactly where they need to be as the first one in. However, Cinncinati needs to hammer their 3 remaining opponents to maintain that 5th spot - (USF, SMU, E. Carolina). OSU has a brutal schedule remaining with MSU and @ Michigan. Oregon's remaining schedule is pretty lame with Wash St, Utah & Oregon St. Presumably Bama & Georgia will play in the SEC championship game. Some take home points on the this weekend's rankings:

- Head to head competition doesn't mean as much as the committee has previously said that it does. How can one-loss Michigan be ranked ahead of one-loss MSU when MSU beat Michigan? It appears the MSU victory means very little now as the committee is favoring Jim Harbaugh for some reason.

- Cinncinati was wasn't penalized for barely beating Tulsa and it appears their undefeated record with the big win over ND earlier in the season is still making points with the committee.

- MSU was severely punished for their loss to a pretty good Purdue team relegated all the way down to #7 behind Michigan! Insane!

The committee appears to be dysfunctional & it's anybody's guess how things will turn out next week. One thing is obvious though - they're favoring Harbough overranking Michigan. What's really going on here? 🤔

Also, fwiw, I am ok if Cincy goes undefeated and sneaks in. However, I do not think they should be ranked ahead of an undefeated OU.

Pretty good post, but I don’t agree on MU/MSU as I just stated previously.

Also, Utah is a very good football team, peaking at the right time. UO will have their hands full AT Utah. If they survive (I don’t think they will), then they deserve a final four spot.

Personally, I would have it:

1. Georgia

2. Ohio State

3. Oregon

4. Oklahoma

5. Alabama

6. Michigan

7. MSU

8. Ok St

9. Cincy

10. ND

Talk of Cincinnati in November? Somehow this is all I can think about https://tenor.com/7Wlu.gif

Agree with you on the rationale for the Michigan/MSU ranking. By the same token I don't think Oregon should be ranked so high, not above Ohio St. despite the head-to-head. But if both teams win out it'll take care of itself....if Ohio St. beats Michigan, MSU, and either Wisc/Iowa/Purdue in the Big 10 championship, they'll leapfrog Oregon....unless Oregon starts crushing every opponent.

By the way, the 2-loss LSU thing was in the BCS era, so technically no committee involved. Just a combo of polls and computer rankings. However to your point about 2 close losses, the same outcome may have occurred if today's committee was around in 2007.

SOS wrote:

Personally, I would have it:

1. Georgia

2. Ohio State

3. Oregon

4. Oklahoma

5. Alabama

6. Michigan

7. MSU

8. Ok St

9. Cincy

10. ND

Why Ok St at #8?

seasoned ranker wrote:

SOS wrote:

Personally, I would have it:

1. Georgia

2. Ohio State

3. Oregon

4. Oklahoma

5. Alabama

6. Michigan

7. MSU

8. Ok St

9. Cincy

10. ND

Why Ok St at #8?

Because they have only one close loss on the road to a pretty damn good team and have beaten three ranked opponents. I think the computers have them with one of the best winning records against one of the toughest SOSs. I almost put them above MU but couldn’t quite do that.

SOS wrote:

seasoned ranker wrote:

Why Ok St at #8?

Because they have only one close loss on the road to a pretty damn good team and have beaten three ranked opponents. I think the computers have them with one of the best winning records against one of the toughest SOSs. I almost put them above MU but couldn’t quite do that.

Only one of their wins is against a team that is ranked. And that team is ranked lower than ND. And they have a loss against an unranked team. I don't see how you could put them in front of Cincy or ND.

I probably should be giving ND more credit, despite the loss to Cincy and the season opening game which FSU almost won with their backup QB. They have some quality wins. I’m just cynical because they are consistently overrated year after year. But they probably deserve a better than 10 ranking.

seasoned ranker wrote:

SOS wrote:

Because they have only one close loss on the road to a pretty damn good team and have beaten three ranked opponents. I think the computers have them with one of the best winning records against one of the toughest SOSs. I almost put them above MU but couldn’t quite do that.

Only one of their wins is against a team that is ranked. And that team is ranked lower than ND. And they have a loss against an unranked team. I don't see how you could put them in front of Cincy or ND.

They were ranked at the time they played. So was Iowa State at the time of the loss (I’m pretty sure, they may have just dropped out). They belong above Cincy but probably not ND. I will cede your point there.

I most definitely don't agree that being ranked "when they played" should be a factor.

seasoned ranker wrote:

I most definitely don't agree that being ranked "when they played" should be a factor.

Ok, fair enough, we will agree to disagree on that point. I’ve already said ND deserves to be higher, so we will put them ahead of Ok St. Cincy doesn’t play in a power conference and barely sneaked by Tulsa because of a bad call at the end when Tulsa should’ve been given a TD (Cincy was a 22.5 fav).

This is all going to sort itself out. MU plays OSU, UO plays UU, OU plays Ok St, and all the power conferences play the conference championship. Georgia has the easiest path in, even if they lose their conference somehow. If Cincy remains undefeated (I don’t think they will), then they will be in the conversation if these other teams get knocked out.

In the spirit of the thread though, I would have a huge problem with a one-loss ND getting in over an undefeated Cincy, the team that beat them (and, yes, a team I would rank slightly ahead of them). If for no other reason than ND is the consummate underachiever in the game that matters.

SOS wrote:

Also, fwiw, I am ok if Cincy goes undefeated and sneaks in. However, I do not think they should be ranked ahead of an undefeated OU.

Not ranked ahead of Oklahoma? Huh? Have you seen Oklahoma's non- conference schedule? They barely beat Tulane (40-35), a non-impressive win against Nebraska (23-16) & they ran up the score against hapless & JC Western Carolina (76-0). Lol. They didn't play anyone in non-conference.

OTOH, Cinncinati beat #9 ND, at the time, on the road. Certainly, you must see it this way unless you think that was a colossal win Oklahoma had over W. Carolina? Lol.

In a perfect world this is how I see it playing out:

1. Georgia (12-0, SEC Champion)

2. Ohio State (11-1), BIG10 Champion

3. Oklahoma (12-0, BIG 12 Champion

4. Oregon (11-1), PAC12 Champion

I just don't see a 12-0 Cincy team getting in. Other than the ND win early in the season, they play nobody. They're #5 at best with a two-loss Alabama #6.

That will change of course if giant killer Purdue upsets Ohio State Saturday. Then the BIG10 will have no-one in. If Penn State will beats Michigan at home Sat. and Ohio State beats Michigan and/or Michigan State they both will be out. Forget anybody in the BIG10 West even if someone somehow beats Ohio State in the championship.

Like I said earlier, the BIG10 is just cannibalizing themselves.

The BIG10 needs to reorganize the divisions.

Well...the committee is misleading then because they've always stood firm on placing very high emphasis on head to head competition when two teams have the same record. MSU beat #6 Michigan...simple. It shouldn't matter how many times the committee thinks Michigan would beat MSU if they played 5 times, 10 times, 100 times or whatever...that's all hypothetical. The score was settled on the field & Michigan got waxed. There's some favoritism going on here with Jim Harbaugh. Lol.

Definitely agree with your take on Utah & that should be a good game with Oregon. If Oregon loses they're done for any playoff spot.