Hertz order for 100.000 Tesla Cars prompts decline of Skyscrapers and High Rises as people relocate to Suburbs and Rural areas

"a slower car with 6 speeds and a clutch pedal"

I have one of those. It recently performed fairly well against a Corvette off the line from a red light until I needed to change lanes to make a left turn further down the road.

I also used to have one of these in a V6 4speed, and wish I still had it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYiemC0bBbc

DoT regulations are expected to mandate vehicles use the battery size/capacity per model year to encourage consumers to purchase smaller cars. For example a 2500 pound sedan will have a range of 600 miles, while a 5000 pound SUV a range of 300 miles. The car body is stamped at the factory with the same battery compartment, and the software will limit add ons.

It's not 2024 for 26 months, stupid wrote:

DoT regulations are expected to mandate vehicles use the battery size/capacity per model year to encourage consumers to purchase smaller cars. For example a 2500 pound sedan will have a range of 600 miles, while a 5000 pound SUV a range of 300 miles. The car body is stamped at the factory with the same battery compartment, and the software will limit add ons.

Good....You ride around with a 200 mile extension cord in your trunk and meanwhile, I'm taking a road trip to the Grand Canyon...

rubberboy70s's posts are either brought to us by the oil industry or he has his life savings tied up in oil stocks.

Last I checked the cost of owning a hybrid/electric was more because they depreciate quickly. Even a prius is not worth much after moderate use. These cars often cost more new also. While the cost to operate the car is less, other costs still make it more expensive to own

With how the infrastructure is currently, I think plug in hybrid is the best. For daily driving, plug in distance of 30-60 miles should cover majority of needs. And for longer distances, you can just utilize gas.

There will be more and more plug in hybrids coming out and I think they’ll be more readily available for purchase. I think it’ll take some time for the charging infrastructure be fully mature m.

The moment Tesla nails the autopilot I'm grabbing one for my commutes. Lots I can do with the time, eyes not on the road.

There will never be as many charging stations as gas stations....You will always be limited and anxious about running out of power. AND, it's gong to take many years before these cars are as reliable and durable as gas cars...keep dreamin while we cruise by you...

Flagpole wrote:

runnerboy70 wrote:

I can get in my car and drive to Alaska or the tip of S. America...Why in the World would anyone buy a car that limits them to 300 miles? And a virtually untested technology... C'mon man...

Yeah, the range sucks. The lack of charging stations sucks. They solve those issues, then EVs will be what everyone wants.

Most Americans don’t leave their town or county. Most Americans don’t take vacation. Charging your car at home overnight or office during the day is so easy.

For some, the range is an issue, but for the majority of Americans who drive to work, come home, have dinner and sit on the couch, the range is a non-issue.

Ideally, you drive your car to work and it charges on some PV panel system in a parking lot, then you drive home and “plug it into your house” and that supplies all of your energy until you go to work again the next day.

Many in TX, LA, MS, GA and FL are bound to disagree... once they get tired of tornadoes, power grid collapse in the cold or the flood levels rising above the sternum.

Sometimes change is good.

3. No that's not enough. The UK has 42000 charging stations and is 40x smaller than the usa.

2. Yes that is to long to wait. And that is only if there is a charger available when you get to the charging station, you could pull up and have to wait for the family who is stuffing there face in the dinner. I have seen long queues waiting for charges on busy weekends in the UK. Filling with petrol/diesel only takes about 5 minutes.

1 how do you know what range someone else needs? You sound like a moron who thinks they know everything but in truth you know nothing.

round and round wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Yeah, the range sucks. The lack of charging stations sucks. They solve those issues, then EVs will be what everyone wants.

Most Americans don’t leave their town or county. Most Americans don’t take vacation. Charging your car at home overnight or office during the day is so easy.

For some, the range is an issue, but for the majority of Americans who drive to work, come home, have dinner and sit on the couch, the range is a non-issue.

Ideally, you drive your car to work and it charges on some PV panel system in a parking lot, then you drive home and “plug it into your house” and that supplies all of your energy until you go to work again the next day.

What you say SOUNDS logical (and it actually IS logical), but when you hear what people say about EVs, the sadme concerns that I have (also initial cost, which I don't care about) are they ones they mention.

1) Range - Now, this is getting better all the time, but even today, there are just a handful of cars with a range that most would find acceptable...and that limits CHOICE. Even though most people don't take frequent long trips, those people STILL want to have a car that isn't a hassle to take on one when they need to. I have an Aunt who moved from SC back to Ohio after my Uncle died, and she had to make planned stops with her Tesla...stop and eat and wait there, stop and wait there, etc. No thanks.

2) Charging stations - For sure not all business parking lots have charging stations. I agree that's ideal, but that's not the situation today.

3) Time to charge - Again, if on a long trip, the time to charge is a pain.

4) Initial Cost - Again, this is not my issue. I would gladly pay the going rate for an EV if the convenience factors were there. BUT, for a lot of people, shelling out $40,000 or more for an EV when they can buy a brand new gas car for half that...well, that's just too much for them.

runnerboy70 wrote:

There will never be as many charging stations as gas stations....You will always be limited and anxious about running out of power. AND, it's gong to take many years before these cars are as reliable and durable as gas cars...keep dreamin while we cruise by you...

LoL, c’mon, troll.

You talk as if you never have to stop to fill up a gas or diesel vehicle. Or as if requiring routine fuel deliveries doesn’t have its own inherent vulnerabilities (as seen in Britain recently). With our pervasive electric infrastructure, yes, charging stations will be as common as gas stations.

(Btw-electric cars require half as many parts as a combustion vehicle. Greater reliability is inevitable).

I fill up my 2003 car every 295-305 miles, so why would I think a 300 mile range was too little in an electric car?

The difference would be in price and performance. The Tesla was a quantum leap forward in acceleration. The 1020 hp model s goes 0-60 in 2.07 seconds and quarter in 9.34 seconds at 152 mph. The others are slower but still stunningly quick. A supercharger will get you 200 miles in 15 minutes. Weight varies from 3600 to 5400 lbs vs. 2900 to 3900 for a typical car, so they are heavy. E equivalent mileage is 120-Model S, and 142 Model 3 empg, vs. Audi and Porsche at 78-79 (BMW i3-113), and then gas powered cars at roughly 20-50 mpg. So, what would I be losing if I had the money to buy such a car, vs. a gas powered car?

By comparison, Lamborghini Aventador will get you 0-60 in about 2.5 seconds and only 10.2-10.4s to 1/4 mile (top speed, though, is 217 mph. Tesla itself lists their 1020 hp vehicle as having a 396 mile range, 1.99s 0-60, and 200 mph top speed.

Those who've sold Tesla short over the years on this website have yet to admit their mistake as Musk became the world's richest man.

The trend is people moving OUT of the cities...I live in rural NM close to AZ and we are being flooded with newcomers from all over the country...same thing in AZ.

runnerboy70 wrote:

The trend is people moving OUT of the cities...I live in rural NM close to AZ and we are being flooded with newcomers from all over the country...same thing in AZ.

But are they moving from the downtowns or other parts of the cities? There is a lot of housing construction underway near the downtowns of many major cities. Most of it seems to be rental midrises.

runnerboy70 wrote:

The trend is people moving OUT of the cities...I live in rural NM close to AZ and we are being flooded with newcomers from all over the country...same thing in AZ.

The census would disagree with your "trend". Rural America is in decline as its population ages out of the car owning demographic. Pretty soon they will be begging for caravans of immigrants to staff all the assisted living centers.