bigmig19 wrote:
WinnytheBish wrote:
Well if I was able to run on FSU's course my PR would have been 90 seconds faster so you're right. Too bad.
Doesnt...some the finish line is at a lower elevation that the start and has one hill, its legit.
You just described the course.
I'm sorry you're an egotistical loser, who is living in his glory days of running 25 flat in the 8k. Not that times are relevant in cross anyways.
Dyestat Rumor wrote:
new to this wrote:
It’d be nifty if they came up with a standard way to report course difficulty and features. You wouldn’t need to mandate difficulty, but standardize how they are listed. Maybe that would create an incentive to make and race hard courses.
Going off all the things I’ve seen that slow down races in HS, here are a few ideas.
List the altitude with listed standard sea level conversion. Don’t scare people away from racing at altitude.
Total elevation gain and drop, accounting for all the up downs. List the expected time impact.
Give a system for rating single climb difficulty and rate climbs on courses, like cycling. Make having a class IV climb a thing of pride on a XC course.
List water crossings, hurdles, etc.
Hairpin turns or other course features that stop momentum. I know one local course that has something like 8 hairpin turns that really slow the race down.
Rate the surfaces for speed. Not all golf course grass is the same. One local “golf course” race is usually run on 3” thick grass.
In Nordic skiing courses have to be approved for national championship and international use. I know there are many factors for this, like width of the course, but one of them is you need an "A" climb and "B" climb. The hills have to be a certain slope and distance. Obviously no course is the exact same but it is a way to keep the courses similar. Maybe XC could do something like this for regional and national courses.
Also times in nordic skiing mean nothing, they don't keep records due to courses and conditions barring so much from venue to venue. Place finished and winning margin means more than time. Honestly that how I judge XC performances.
That’s so skiers actually have to use diagonal stride in classic races. Otherwise they would use skate skies and double pole the entire course.
I don't mind this take. Saw some people really upset after is was floated that FSU's course is short. Cross country, in some sense, is turning into track racing but on grass. You see a lot of perfectly flat courses with short grass. Nothing totally wrong with that. Just think if we keep trending in that direction XC will turn into 8k/10k races on a grass track. I like the challenging XC courses & could care less about time. Give me some random XC distances. Give me courses where you're going to run half marathon or marathon pace for 3-6 miles. It's all about running fast now. & I think that's a disservice to current athletes who are just going to keep putting pressure on themselves instead of just going out & racing.
"a downhill finish" that does appear to be descending from where the start is. It seems like a good, well kept facility which can handle large races and is spectator/coach friendly, but it also seems on the easy side. There could be 15 ladies under 20:00 for 6K this year.
FastTuohy wrote:
"a downhill finish" that does appear to be descending from where the start is. It seems like a good, well kept facility which can handle large races and is spectator/coach friendly, but it also seems on the easy side. There could be 15 ladies under 20:00 for 6K this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_eGvJ76NXg
I fully expect at least 15 women sub 20, probably more if the weather is decent.
What footwear is best for this course? Being such smooth grass and gravel, would supershoes be better than XC spikes? Of course this is assuming the course is dry and not at all muddy.
CoastToCoast wrote:
I'm sorry you're an egotistical loser, who is living in his glory days of running 25 flat in the 8k. Not that times are relevant in cross anyways.
The joke is on you. That 25 flat would have been a 23:30 on the Florida course.
Gucci wrote:
What footwear is best for this course? Being such smooth grass and gravel, would supershoes be better than XC spikes? Of course this is assuming the course is dry and not at all muddy.
Dragonfly spikes. Super shoe and spike in one package
WinnytheBish wrote:
CoastToCoast wrote:
I'm sorry you're an egotistical loser, who is living in his glory days of running 25 flat in the 8k. Not that times are relevant in cross anyways.
The joke is on you. That 25 flat would have been a 23:30 on the Florida course.
You are the biggest HYPOCRITE on this website. "Times don't matter in cross country, except if the times are too fast then it's bad"
Cross country champions should be masters of all terrain. If a flat course puts anyone at a disadvantage, then they don't deserve to win anyway.
WinnytheBish wrote:
It's contributing to the downfall of cross country. People are too obsessed with fast times and rankings rather than just going out there and getting ugly. Maybe add something difficult on the course for once. In high school you hear about all of these epic difficult courses and then when you get to college all you do is run on golf courses with perfectly manicured grass or "dedicated" cross country courses. Thank you Oklahoma State for keeping it real at least.
I can't respect it. Don't care if it's accurate or not it's too easy.
Agreed. I was a college cross country runner in the mid 80s and at Nationals we ran a tough up and down 8k in Kenosha Wisconsin. On that particular day we had 12 inches of rain the previous 12 hours before Nationals. It made an already difficult course very very difficult. That is what cross country running is!! It’s not the track. It’s the beauty that is cross country running
It's rolling and you have some real hills in Tallahassee unlike everything south of Ocala, but this is hardly the fastest course in the country. But as xc runners we should be awfully grateful they put together, with football money, a first class course. It's no VCP, but we should be absolutely happy it is there, and being used by the best programs in the state and nation. Who would have thought that Florida would have a destination xc course? I'm very eager to race there potentially in December and have my kids race there eventually.
Gucci wrote:
What footwear is best for this course? Being such smooth grass and gravel, would supershoes be better than XC spikes? Of course this is assuming the course is dry and not at all muddy.
You realize world athletics has limits on stack height, right? If you're planning to run usatf club nats in super shoes, you'll be disqualified. For that reason, I recommend the streak lt or spike flat. If its wet, just go with an xc spike obv.
NCAA coaches have design on very flat courses to earn bids. They'll never have a Mt Sac type XC Course, designed by runners, and considered the World's toughest cross country course. Hope this helps.
Get that? wrote:
NCAA coaches have design on very flat courses to earn bids. They'll never have a Mt Sac type XC Course, designed by runners, and considered the World's toughest cross country course. Hope this helps.
troll post? Mt Sac isn't even considered the toughest xc course in California. And plenty of colleges do have xc courses that are slow - penn, W&l, many others. Having a course like this depends entirely on getting teams to show up for an invitational or being able to host conference that year (plenty of teams will show up for a meet to preview a course that will be used for conference). A lightning fast course is better than a course designed just to be hard for the sake of it, but a hilly course is perfectly acceptable to most coaches, you just won't find them in Florida, Kansas, or Southern California.
WinnytheBish wrote:
CoastToCoast wrote:
I'm sorry you're an egotistical loser, who is living in his glory days of running 25 flat in the 8k. Not that times are relevant in cross anyways.
The joke is on you. That 25 flat would have been a 23:30 on the Florida course.
And here that clown David Melly is, still going on about the course over a week later. Guy seems bitter that a bunch of college kids ran much faster than him and that he got dusted by a bunch of women at Chi Town Marathon. Let it go man. Get a day job. Then you have the other clown Clayson from BYU trashing the course. Dude, you graduated high school in 2014 and are competing against of bunch of 18-19 year old's in 2021. Congrats...
progressive regressive wrote:
WinnytheBish wrote:
The joke is on you. That 25 flat would have been a 23:30 on the Florida course.
You are the biggest HYPOCRITE on this website. "Times don't matter in cross country, except if the times are too fast then it's bad"
Cross country champions should be masters of all terrain. If a flat course puts anyone at a disadvantage, then they don't deserve to win anyway.
Wow you're really mad about this
Dear God wrote:
WinnytheBish wrote:
The joke is on you. That 25 flat would have been a 23:30 on the Florida course.
And here that clown David Melly is, still going on about the course over a week later. Guy seems bitter that a bunch of college kids ran much faster than him and that he got dusted by a bunch of women at Chi Town Marathon. Let it go man. Get a day job. Then you have the other clown Clayson from BYU trashing the course. Dude, you graduated high school in 2014 and are competing against of bunch of 18-19 year old's in 2021. Congrats...
I hope the FSU course sees this bro.
Get that? wrote:
NCAA coaches have design on very flat courses to earn bids. They'll never have a Mt Sac type XC Course, designed by runners, and considered the World's toughest cross country course. Hope this helps.
Except the OSU course hosted nationals in March and will host again in 2022 and it’s hilly as fuxx.
That's actually great to know, so thank you. It's still 6 weeks out, so too early for USATF to actually issue any guidance, but it appears you are correct. Buried on page 10, the height restriction for cross country is 25mm.
Of course, this now makes me wonder about all of the track races where people have worn road super shoes
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