Shannon Osika joins Pete Julian’s group

. . . and recent college grad Ella Donaghu.

That's quite a middle distance women's team Pete's put together.

Efraimson hasn’t been competitive in like 2 years.

nikeman wrote:

I expect great things from this group.

Why?

ghost_coach wrote:

nikeman wrote:

I expect great things from this group.

Why?

Exactly. The group listed in this thread is about on par with Team Boss, at best.

This will be good for Shannon

ghost_coach wrote:

nikeman wrote:

I expect great things from this group.

Why?

Because Hull, Osika and Johnson could all be under 4 next year.

Jessica's already done it, Shannon almost did it, and Sinclair is close enough to do it.

Probably have to go back to the days of Ma's Army to find a training group w/3 women under 4 in the same year.

Bower Man II wrote:

ghost_coach wrote:

Why?

Because Hull, Osika and Johnson could all be under 4 next year.

Jessica's already done it, Shannon almost did it, and Sinclair is close enough to do it.

Probably have to go back to the days of Ma's Army to find a training group w/3 women under 4 in the same year.

Andy Young Group had Muir 3:55, Stafford 3:56, and Reekie 4:00 indoor enroute to the mile. Don't see NOP beating that or coming close to it tbh.

monscotland wrote:

Bower Man II wrote:

Because Hull, Osika and Johnson could all be under 4 next year.

Jessica's already done it, Shannon almost did it, and Sinclair is close enough to do it.

Probably have to go back to the days of Ma's Army to find a training group w/3 women under 4 in the same year.

Andy Young Group had Muir 3:55, Stafford 3:56, and Reekie 4:00 indoor enroute to the mile. Don't see NOP beating that or coming close to it tbh.

And that was all three between Oct 2019 and February 2020

monscotland wrote:

Andy Young Group had Muir 3:55, Stafford 3:56, and Reekie 4:00 indoor enroute to the mile. Don't see NOP beating that or coming close to it tbh.

And that was all three between Oct 2019 and February 2020

Fair enough. That was a great mid-d team. After Ma's Army, maybe best ever women's mid-d group.

Here's another reason why we all may be singing the praises of Pete Julian's coaching. He could get the above-mentioned 3 to Eugene next year in the 1500. Hull is a lock, maybe already selected for the Australian team. For the US, after EPSP, Osika and Johnson have just as good a chance as anyone. Then include Brazer & Rodgers in the 800 . . . PJ suddenly becomes the savant coach of mid-d running.

nikeman wrote:

Announced on Instagram. Should be a good fit with Jessica Hull, Sinclaire Johnson and Alexa Efraimson. Since Sonia O Sullivan is now coaching with Pete I expect great things from this group.

Please detail O'Sullivan's coaching experience.

Sinclaire seems excited about it too, reposting Shannon's IG on her own IG story (sorry no link). With her training partner Amanda Eccleston retiring, Shannon will benefit from being part of this group. As will Sinclaire with a more mid-D focused group than BTC.

Bower Man II wrote:

ghost_coach wrote:

Why?

Because Hull, Osika and Johnson could all be under 4 next year.

Jessica's already done it, Shannon almost did it, and Sinclair is close enough to do it.

Probably have to go back to the days of Ma's Army to find a training group w/3 women under 4 in the same year.

When GDS was with Muir and Reekie, did they all crack 4 that year?

monscotland wrote:

Bower Man II wrote:

Because Hull, Osika and Johnson could all be under 4 next year.

Jessica's already done it, Shannon almost did it, and Sinclair is close enough to do it.

Probably have to go back to the days of Ma's Army to find a training group w/3 women under 4 in the same year.

Andy Young Group had Muir 3:55, Stafford 3:56, and Reekie 4:00 indoor enroute to the mile. Don't see NOP beating that or coming close to it tbh.

Looks like my question was answered. I just didn’t read far enough in the thread.

ghost_coach wrote:

nikeman wrote:

I expect great things from this group.

Why?

She turned 28 during this most recent track season. It's going to be tough for her to keep improving. She made a big jump back in 2019 from 4:06 to 4:01, and a slight jump last year in 2021 from 4:01 to 4:00... New coach often takes time to see the training effects, and she's old enough she probably is past any natural progression for 1500 meters that you expect from just continuing the same training. She probably should have done something like this five years ago, but she didn't have the PRs five years ago right after college.

Pete is not that good of coac

Koko is a solid 1500 runner as well. Finished second in the DL final in 2019 and has broken 4 a few times. And Rowbury is on the team. She was solid in 2020.

It likely won’t happen, but you could potentially have four women on one team break four in the same year, with maybe 1-2 more knocking on the door (Donaghu and Rowbury or even Efraimson if she can get it together).

grease lightning wrote:

Koko is a solid 1500 runner as well. Finished second in the DL final in 2019 and has broken 4 a few times. And Rowbury is on the team. She was solid in 2020.

It likely won’t happen, but you could potentially have four women on one team break four in the same year, with maybe 1-2 more knocking on the door (Donaghu and Rowbury or even Efraimson if she can get it together).

With 1500/5k runners Rowbury/Hull/Donoghu/Koko on the strength end, and 800/1500 runners Osika/Johnson/Efraimson on the speed end . . . and Rogers the 800 "sprinter" who is dipping her feet into an occasional 1k - 1500 race . . . sure looks like Nike/Team Julian have assembled the perfect 1500 training group.

Rethinking this team now, sure looks like Pete's job as coach is simply to not screw things up. Just keep them healthy . . . their level of talent and competitiveness will take care of the rest.

Bower Man wrote:

Rethinking this team now, sure looks like Pete's job as coach is simply to not screw things up. Just keep them healthy...their level of talent and competitiveness will take care of the rest.

Looking at the past few years, I'd say Efraimson may need more than "not screw things up."

Tastes Like Chicken wrote:

Bower Man wrote:

Rethinking this team now, sure looks like Pete's job as coach is simply to not screw things up. Just keep them healthy...their level of talent and competitiveness will take care of the rest.

Looking at the past few years, I'd say Efraimson may need more than "not screw things up."

She needs more than the love of the Machine Gun Kelly adoring Goose?