What do Tuohy Hutchins Thorvaldson Lane Oakley Ping Rainsberger Dudek Starliper Murphey and Walters all have in common???

Chmiel missed all of indoor her Sr. Year of HS with an injury. She ran for a high mileage HS

They know how to use commas?

Disko Eric wrote:

They know how to use commas?

Yeah but how about those question marks. You like those right

7empest wrote:

Chmiel missed all of indoor her Sr. Year of HS with an injury. She ran for a high mileage HS

Interesting. What was the injury? But still she ran every year and she progressed, which is quite remarkable

Kelsey chmiel knows the deal wrote:

7empest wrote:

Chmiel missed all of indoor her Sr. Year of HS with an injury. She ran for a high mileage HS

Interesting. What was the injury? But still she ran every year and she progressed, which is quite remarkable

I don't recall the specific injury, but I do recall she competed in the shot put (I think in order to meet NY requirements to be eligible for the state championships). 18 8 1/2 in.

A lot of your examples were running college level mileage when they were in high school. This can be said for a lot of high school boys as well. Some of the kids that improve the most in college are the ones who were running fast off of lower mileage in high school. There is a lot of pressure to not be patient with young runners and not wait for their development to catch up with them before you add on the mileage. It takes a brave coach to sacrifice a little early success for success later on. Many of these later injuries are a result of insufficient caloric / calcium intake during their growth years (they were not taking in enough food while they were growing because they were burning too many calories running adult level distances).

joed|rt wrote:

A lot of your examples were running college level mileage when they were in high school. This can be said for a lot of high school boys as well. Some of the kids that improve the most in college are the ones who were running fast off of lower mileage in high school. There is a lot of pressure to not be patient with young runners and not wait for their development to catch up with them before you add on the mileage. It takes a brave coach to sacrifice a little early success for success later on. Many of these later injuries are a result of insufficient caloric / calcium intake during their growth years (they were not taking in enough food while they were growing because they were burning too many calories running adult level distances).

Good observation, adding to that it seems most of the girls injuries are stress fractures or reactions. Interestingly the one who probably ran the most miles (Tuohy) got a tendon injury vs a bone injury.

A lot of girls have IT band issues also... lane, culbreath... but around 80 or 90 % of top girls are having significant injuries... what about guys? Haven't seen anything close maybe 20 or 30%

I think it is just a reflection of the different ways males and females mature. It is noteworthy that virtually every major female high school runner of the last few years has had to deal with injuries. The trick seems to be that the athletes need to eat properly, not be in too much of a hurry and maybe sacrifice a few years running somewhat slower until they physically fully mature.

joed|rt wrote:

A lot of your examples were running college level mileage when they were in high school. This can be said for a lot of high school boys as well. Some of the kids that improve the most in college are the ones who were running fast off of lower mileage in high school.

Is this actually proven, or is it just something that sounds true and it’s easy to find a few good examples to back it up?

It’d be interesting to see the high school mileage of the top 100 finishers at XC nationals for the last 10 years. I imagine someone with a little finding could do the surveys and get a fair amount of that information.

StG wrote:

joed|rt wrote:

A lot of your examples were running college level mileage when they were in high school. This can be said for a lot of high school boys as well. Some of the kids that improve the most in college are the ones who were running fast off of lower mileage in high school.

Is this actually proven, or is it just something that sounds true and it’s easy to find a few good examples to back it up?

It’d be interesting to see the high school mileage of the top 100 finishers at XC nationals for the last 10 years. I imagine someone with a little finding could do the surveys and get a fair amount of that information.

There are a number of studies out there (most dealing with the female Triad: amenorrhea, osteoporosis, and disordered eating).

But it basically comes down to this: a girl needs a little bit of fat in order for their body to signal it is time to grow. Girls will not start their periods until they have a little extra chub. The reason girls overall tend to start their periods younger today than historically is because more kids are fatter at a young age. Young girls who are running a lot of mileage and are 10% below the average weight for their height, typically won't start their period until later (this is the number one risk factor for stress fractures later on). Growing requires an awesome amount of calories and calcium to make those bigger bones. When those ingredients are not around because they are burning them up in their runs and not eating enough to make up for it, they end up with low bone mineral density (and that stays with them into adulthood, as 98% of BMD is attained by the time a person is 19). Once the bones are developed, it becomes important to maintain sufficient caloric and calcium intake (so that you are not stealing calcium from your bones) and getting sufficient sleep to allow your body to repair itself.

According to William Roberts, MD who writes articles for Runner's World, stress fractures occur in two categories:

1. Training volume and intensity that is too high for the bone and muscle strength to support the activity

2. Inadequate energy availability to support the bone mineral density needed to tolerate the stress and strain of the training volume

love this

Hutchins is injured?

Thorvaldson was high volume and intensity. She was amazing, and I hope she improves & breaks the injury cycle, but I wouldn’t be shocked if neither happened.

Starliper is staring her 3rd year of college and has never ran a race.

Another PA high school legend Brianna Schwartz went to Colorado and never ran a race in college.

This is Starliper’s 2nd year at NC State, not third.

Sorry. You're right.

But she is still not running so I could eventually be correct.

Go Sweden wrote:

Hutchins is injured?

Hasn't run in 6 months

She has not raced…… there are numerous videos so far this season that she is running with the team and top group.