Newbury Park, 14:29, 14:33, 14:34, 14:43, 15:15, 15:18 at Woodward Park

runningggg wrote:

NP is the best XC team ever! wrote:

I wouldn’t doubt the Newbury Park boys. It’s been know to come back and bite us

I would bet against them breaking 4. But I wouldn’t bet against them breaking 8 for 3k. The Youngs, including Nico, seem pretty slow speed wise.

Slow? and you know this because ?

slowerthanu wrote:

Forgive my ignorance, but do they wear super shoes? No spikes in California HS XC, IIRC.

Nope. Regular victory xc5.

College Bound wrote:

sudrunner wrote:

Woodward Park is not "incredibly flat".

Colin Sahlman ran 4:05 last year. The others were in the 4:08-4:09 range as sophomores and have made what seems to be a fairly significant jump in fitness since then. Maybe the younger ones won't break 4:00 this year, but the odds are we'll see them going under that mark in 2023. And I'd give Colin a 65% chance to break 4 next track season.

They seem to be in much better fitness then last spring. I would not be surprised if two of then broke 4min. Last Spring

In the Mile they ran:

Colin 4:04

Leo. 4:07

Lex. 4:08

Aaron 4:08

Is that for the full mile or the 1600 mile?

KAV wrote:

runningggg wrote:

I would bet against them breaking 4. But I wouldn’t bet against them breaking 8 for 3k. The Youngs, including Nico, seem pretty slow speed wise.

It sucks that they beat you....

No, I'm a large fan. I champion them. But they are longer distance types.

Also, I think they will shock the world (!) by putting 6 people under 9 in outdoor.

Not the guy who posted that, but I've run 3:49 for 1500, right where they are. The next year, I was running as much as 90 mpw, I was 22 years old, and all of my training was focused on the 3k and 5k, and I was slower than these kids over 3k (at least slower than the 8:43 guy), despite being equal or better than them at 1500.

It is correct to say they are slow speed wise. I doubt either of them could have cracked 1:54 for 800 last spring (I ran 1:52 and split 1:51 when I ran 3:49), and if they do go under 4:00, we will also be looking at them going under 7:50.

Coach B wrote:

College Bound wrote:

They seem to be in much better fitness then last spring. I would not be surprised if two of then broke 4min. Last Spring

In the Mile they ran:

Colin 4:04

Leo. 4:07

Lex. 4:08

Aaron 4:08

Is that for the full mile or the 1600 mile?

Full Mile

Etjo. wrote:

Quite possibly the best team performance in the history of the sport?

That is until they run again next time......

I'd take it a step further and say the greatest team performance by any team, any level, and any sport. Who else could top it? 1981 UTEP?

They could run 16:20 for 4x1 mile.

German Fernandez still holds the Woodward CR at 14:24, correct?

College Bound wrote:

Coach B wrote:

Is that for the full mile or the 1600 mile?

Full Mile

How does their fitness compare to last fall? Did they compete at all last fall? If they did, do we have comparative times?

The top 4 seem to be Nico Young level of fitness right now.

Newbury park race results from last fall:

https://in.milesplit.com/meets/400358-xc-town-usa-meet-of-champions-presented-by-the-garrett-companies-2020/results/714195#.YWR96yU8IlQ

https://az.milesplit.com/meets/392669-desert-twilight-xc-festival-2020/results/704752#.YWR9-CU8IlQ

Is it fair to say that the top 6 have all improved tremendously in the past year (most specifically Aaron Sahlman) and at least 4 of the 6 could all be in sub 4:03 shape right now?

I mean who knows what their speed is like right now. They are training for 14-15 minute races not a 4 minute one. They will all run really fast come track season, but speculating about their mile fitness during XC season is pretty much impossible.

my two pennies wrote:

Not the guy who posted that, but I've run 3:49 for 1500, right where they are. The next year, I was running as much as 90 mpw, I was 22 years old, and all of my training was focused on the 3k and 5k, and I was slower than these kids over 3k (at least slower than the 8:43 guy), despite being equal or better than them at 1500.

It is correct to say they are slow speed wise. I doubt either of them could have cracked 1:54 for 800 last spring (I ran 1:52 and split 1:51 when I ran 3:49), and if they do go under 4:00, we will also be looking at them going under 7:50.

Colin ran 1:53.20 in May.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

I mean who knows what their speed is like right now. They are training for 14-15 minute races not a 4 minute one. They will all run really fast come track season, but speculating about their mile fitness during XC season is pretty much impossible.

I will go out on limb and speculate that their mile time is better now than it was in the spring. I will also speculate that at least 5 out of the 6 will improve further in the next 8 months.

Absolutely insane performances

NP is the best XC team ever! wrote:

4L wrote:

I meant to say fast, not flat.

Anyways…this is literally a dirt course. There’s no grass or anything. You talk about 2-4 kids breaking 4 in a handle of years? Ain’t happening sorry bud

I wouldn’t doubt the Newbury Park boys. It’s been know to come back and bite us

I believe all you naysayers need to heed the advice of the post above.

Somehow the Milesplit geniuses have only one of the four NP boys ranked in the top 5 right now. Talk about an East Coast bias.